http://www.swtor.com

Officially announced today

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwars ... eo/6199708

http://pc.ign.com/articles/922/922115p1.html

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Call me cynical but I foresee this being another complete failure like the other Star Wars MMO...

I Hope not. BioWare does some very nice work, and maybe they will bring some more fresh blood to the MMO market...and a different take on the Star Wars story

Haha, that Star Wars MMO will not even come close to replacing WoW. Maybe for you, but not by and large. Hope you get what you want though!

Bioware gives me hope!

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Though for obvious reasons I'm excited to see that it is truly in development, I'm trying to remain as skeptical as my inner SW Geek will allow me to be. I was burned by Galaxies, bad. It left such a sour taste in my gamer mouth that I figured any SW MMO would be a failure.

Then I played KOTOR. KOTOR was like a shining beacon of light in a sea of total shit SW games.

If any part of the SW universe could be done as an MMO, its the Old Republic.

We'll see.

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I think the whole StarWars pull is gone with the last few George Lucas abominations. Bioware is cool and all, KotOR is cool and all but, unless the just hit a MAJOR homerun, they might as well creep in the MMO shadows.

I think it will get some early subs and curiosity will really draw people towards the betas but they better hold onto that NDA due to the expectations and SWG past.

We will see all too soon.

Muli

Bioware gets the best of both worlds, they get a Star Wars property to play with without having Lucas dick around with it in his bat shit craziness.

If there's going to be a SW MMO worth a fuck Bioware will do it.

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I look forward to playing this game in 2012.

Bioware is the master of the Dialogue Box, but will they be able to make a nice MMO? This will be interesting to watch.

Hrm, is there anything more substantial than them saying how cool it's going to be?

Hell yes, meatbag.

Be as cynical and skeptical as you like...you all know you're buying this shit when it comes out.

In 2012.

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Well, 2012 should be interesting...

http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/10/2 ... ts-and-ea/



...all I've got to say is, at least they've got a goal. Should be an interesting ride.

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They better make the game appealing to the Asian market. I'm relatively sure that NA only makes up around 2 - 2.5 million of the 10 million sub base WoW boasts.

I don't know what the Korean, Japanese, etc. are going to do with WoW+expansions, SC2, Lineage II, etc., etc. peering over the horizon. They might as well forget real life starting around 2009 - 2015.


Muli

Edit: Spelling

Lol IRL

Exactly, Muligan. Is the Star Wars franchise popular in Asia? I have no idea, honestly... I know it's an acclaimed franchise worldwide, but in the same sense that Warcraft appeals to gamers worldwide? I suppose if the quality of the game is really that good, then it doesn't matter, but still.

I'm just not sure why they would suggest that goal right now when we're barely in the development/concept phase.

I'm sure StarWars is a big thing in Asia but that that doesn't mean they'll like the game. The Asian markets like aspects of games that the NA market does not.

I still do not understand how anyone can play a point-and-click MMO but, they seem to love them. I hope Bioware looks at their schedule, they better be really smart with their Beta's, NDA, and release. They could run right into a mess with some of the releases I mentioned above.

Muli

Personally, I'd rather have a fully completed single (or, gasp, coop!) KOTOR game than another MMO.

I loved the two KOTORs, but damn, can't they just finish them?

Coop KOTR would be sexy

Old Republic Nights?

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I don't know how I feel about that.

I double don't know about how I feel about Lucas wanting a large say in creative control.

Lucas is past his prime and out of his league. He was innovative in the 80's but now in the corner. So many stories and movies have left him setting under a pile of mediocre decisions.

This game is going to have huge hurdles to jump and this generation of gamers are extremely intolerant. Tarot is right in saying people will buy it and probably most of us will but Age of Conan went the same way. Everyone can get tickets to ride the biggest and greatest boat but that doesn't mean it will sail or the passengers jump off.

The trailer for this released at E3 looked great.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-star-wars/49937

I don't care if the game ends up sucking total balls, the cinematic trailer is awesome

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Sat through the whole E3 on G4 today. Some kick ass shit coming out. Star Wars looked awesome as hell.

Who'd want to be a jedi after seeing that ass whooping?

When the transport ship opened up and all the red lightsabers flared on, I got giddy. But then, I've always liked the sith a lot more than jedi.

QFT

Though that trailer was better than Ep I-III

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Did they mention any of the Lore/time frame on this ? just curious.

I'm presuming its during the 2nd Sith/Jedi war before the Rule of 2 was instituted by the Sith

ie.s 1 Sith Lord and 1 Sith apprentice only at a time, for those not familiar with the Rule of 2.

Why I got my nerd on there didn't I

Drac:
http://www.swtor.com/info/story/setting



Trailer looks great

I cannot recall a better looking cinematic trailer to a game ever. That is just utter wow.

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I like the WAR trailer a lot more.

This trailer has been my one of my favorite things to come out of E3 this year.

Is that guy supposed to be a Vader-lite or something? He looks like practically the same character, but with a little less of the big suit going on.

I thought it was Malak.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's Malak

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Malak? 300 years later? Isn't Malak killed, no matter which path you choose in KOTOR1?

Sounds like it's the "real" Sith this time.

Trailer did look cool.

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I had a quick read on the official Bioware Old Republic boards lastnight about this, and Leo's idea was the general consensus there as well. Chances are it's not Malak, as he was killed in KoTOR 1 and it's not commonplace for Bioware to rehash old villains in their games.

In other news, it was mentioned in their FAQ that you will be facing numerous issues in the game as you progress, and that your decisions could end up with you changing factions (i.e. a Jedi turning towards the Dark Side), so the option will be there for you to switch sides, for anyone curious.

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PS - some info on the actual gameplay found here:
http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210951/st ... es;story;1

oh my god that trailer was awesome.

Darth Malak


Sith Lord in the trailer

According to all sources, Darth Malak died during the battle between him and Revan at the Starforge in the finale of KOTOR.

However, the bigger rumors are that Darth Revan is the 'Sith Emperor' mentioned in the lore surrounding the game. There's a small bit of evidence that points to this. Revan left for the Unknown Regions to after the events of KOTOR to confront the ancient Sith Empire, but was never heard from again. The theory is that when he arrived, he joined the Sith there rather then tried to destroy them.

In the books about Darth Bane, Bane travels to Rakata Prime (the planet that the Starforge orbited, which in Bane's time is called Lehon) after being guided by old Sith texts which spoke of great power there. In the ruins of the Temple of the Ancients, he found Darth Revan's Holocron...from which he learned a tremendous amount of ancient Sith Magic/Darkside Powers (including the Thought Bomb). While it is implied in KOTOR that Revan was indeed powerful at the time of his first reign, one would think that he had to have studied somewhere for an extensive period time to learn what he eventually scribed into the Holocron.

A side from that, look at the Sith who're fighting the Jedi in the trailer. Quite a few of them are wearing Masks/faceguards that resemble the one Revan wore during his reign. Suggesting that either they took inspiration from him or were lead by him (either at the time of the game, or sometime previous).

Enough nerd lore from me...

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The nerd is strong in this one.

Bane was also the sith who initiated the "Rule of Two" method to keep all the sith from imploding on themselves generation after generation.


nerds unite! (ofcourse that was what this board was originally created for, but eventually Neesha got cooler than everyone else)

No Star Wars jokes in the Star Wars thread. Got it.

I don't know if I'd call Malak's mouthpiece a mask or a faceguard... more like an artificial jawbone. Given Sith "training" rites, I don't think that's enough of a coincidence to assume anything.

I lol'd.

In Malak's case it was a cover to hide his voice synthesizer (and his lack of a lower jaw), but I was talking about in the trailer...if you look closely at the Sith coming out of the transport, the masks they wear look like Revans.

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I hope this is cool.

I'm chomping at the bit for a legitimate alternate WoW choice, not because WoW is bad, it's just getting old. No fault of it's own, it's been a long freaking run, impossible to stay fresh forever. I want something new. The favorite FPS thread has me thinking Mechs now from Mech Assault. Shame there isn't a MMO based game around that, or at least not a main stream one that I would know about. Probably is some Japanese version of something like that.

Funny thing, I thought the whole Star Destroyer ship design wasn't created until around the era just before Episode 4 and all that. But in the video - which I take is really far before Vader/Luke/etc - you see them at the end there.

Yeah I'm with you Bov.. looked like the ships from phantom menace.

The trailer was technically cool but honestly there wasn't a lot of originality there. Not that that's a bad thing.. it is what it is. I can't fucking wait for this game, though.

The Star Destroyer design isn't very different than the ships produced by the Star Forge in KOTOR1.

Am I the only one who still wishes this was a single player or coop game? I really have no desire to delve into another MMO.

You're not the only one, but MMO's = $$$, if they can pull it off.

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I wouldn't be opposed to it, personally. But I'm getting a bit tired of the Old Republic. Time to either move back to the original timeline or come up with something new.

Plus, the benefit of an MMO is, they don't need to finish it before release!

I think, for the most part, it *could* be a single-player game, Leo.
I read somewhere (I think in their FAQ on the website) that their goal is to have the vast majority of game accessible to those who solo, and a few tougher challenges requiring a few others to help.

I don't think we'll be seeing raids, though. At least not in the traditional sense. And based on KoTOR1, there was no sense of archetypes that we're used to (i.e. healer class, tank class, dps classes, etc.). So that may change things up as well, making any class equally adept at soloing by using varying tactics/techniques.

I read a hands-on preview somewhere that stated it would have group/raid stuff to do, like other mmo's. The most interesting part is the individualized questing.. personal quests or whatever. Let me see if I can find it.

Here it is

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/hands ... #continued

It's not the multi-player I have a problem with; it's the lack of a distinct ending. I want to put in my week of non-stop play time and be done with it (for a year or so, if prior KOTOR games are any indication).