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That's not necessarily a thread regarding the actual debate -- however it does go to show how many people have like 3+ level 60 characters.<
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Remember in EQ how many people had two level 60 characters? And you ALWAYS knew who they were? Having a second level 60 character was something... rare and crazy. In WoW, it's commonplace.<
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People say you shouldn't have to make "schedules" to play a game. However -- how in the fuck do these people manage to do any other hobby? Bowling league on Tuesdays at 7? FUCK THAT SHIT MAN I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SCHEDULE BOWLING WITH 50 OTHERS IN A LEAGUE. BULLSHIT MAN. :<
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I'm as casual as it gets... I don't even have a level 60 character. The highest I have is a Level 52 Orc Warrior. He probably has like, 1 blue? haha. Not even any purples. I almost got some purple boots -- but passed on them because I knew I never played and wouldn't make much use out of them. I play maybe... 3 hours a week if that. Last week I honestly played probably 45 minutes. Hah.<
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They hate DKP. In fact, DKP is the only thing that keeps casual players in raiding guilds in the running for loot at all. The only downside of that would be if the loot was based on a vested curve. IE: Your % of raid attendance = % of DKP you have available.<
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With the amount of subscribers WoW has -- it's not hard to team up with 39 other players, especially if you're in a guild with people who compliment your playstyle. That argument is just plain bullshit. Most guilds in WoW have like a zillion members. One of my first guilds in WoW (The Goon Squad) is the largest guild in WoW, and has like 500+(is that possible?) members. I remember when we created and there was a hard cap on the numbers of players in a guild.... I mean come on -- the people are there.<
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I guess they don't understand that MMO's are a treadmill. Keep running with no real end -- there is no means to an end.<
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I'm anti-casual, because I believe there is content for everyone. While I am classified as a "casual" - I realize that my efforts in game don't and shouldn't yield the same rewards as those who spend more time in the game. <i></i>

I care because it's an ad hominem attack. Why not make one back? After all, it's just the internet.<
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Yeah, except your comprehension skills can't seem to discern the fact that I don't believe that I deserve the same content / rewards that those who play more than I get. <i></i>

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I figure World of Warcraft has enough content for both. If someone is casual then they shouldn't expect to have purples on every character they make to 60. If someone is hardcore, and can come up with enough folks to run through whatever instance/quest it takes to get them purples on every character, so be it. Good for them and such. <
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Sanae you're wearing a full suit of Felheart. I think that makes you automatically not casual. <i></i>

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That's why I said she has good gear, dear. And I'm missing just a few pieces for Felheart. The casual comment was in reference to my alts though, not Sanae. Sanae isn't casual... she's just packed away in a box for a bit. <i></i>

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I fully expect to two group MC a few months after the expantion comes out. <i></i>

It's not Doladin. (I checked).
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Dolalin would actually have a level 60 character before trying to lecture everyone or before giving off his expert advice on things that he really knows nothing about (PVP, for instance). Dolalin would know his "opponents" better when choosing his battles. If the battles were taken to him, Dolalin would have the common sense to do a little research so he'd have some evidence to support his defense. For all that he was, or for all that people may have perceived him as, Dolalin was not a stupid man and I don't think anyone ever really thought that about him. <
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Tarot, maybe instead of provoking an argument you should instead be trying to.. I don't know, not? What's the point in bandwagon'ing when you're the only one that has the ability to actually promote what the original discussion was about? Heh. <a href="http://www.botepidemic.com/frikbot/q1mons/"><img src="http://www.botepidemic.com/frikbot/q1mons/enforcer.jpg" border=0 alt="I'm An Enforcer! Take the 'What Quake monster am I?' test!"></a><i></i>

My job is not, nor has it ever been, 'babysitter'. You've been around long enough to know that Plur. Nor is my job to keep threads in R&R "on topic".<
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plur- with all due respect, no one really has any issues with the first post that this guy made. it is posts #2 and #3 (especially #2) that has caused the uproar of this guy in this thread. couple it with his comments in the king kong thread... and you are looking at the new whipping boy of the lanys forums. and the more he speaks, the more he further creates the embarassment that he has become on these boards.<
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