Inc Theorycrafting of D3 classes!

One returning class is the Barbarian and Witch Doctor is one new class...

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I can't exactly say I'm very surprised by this announcement.

The site is awesome: http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3
Cinematic is great, the gameplay trailer is the exact same shown during the live stream from WWI, and it's awesome.

Definitely NOT an MMO... it's exactly what I had hoped. Don't fuck with the correct formula for an action-RPG franchise, and they didn't, thank god.

As for theorycrafting, if I read the FAQ right I believe all classes are returning with revamps. The question is what the second new class will be(I doubt third new, but who knows?).

Nothing really new. Fundamentally the same kind of game as Diablo 1.

Very disappointing.

Nothing really new. Fundamentally the same kind of game as Diablo 1.

Very **AWESOME**

I for one am glad that they have turned back to the tried and true game instead of pulling another shitty MMO out of their ass. I STILL play D2 (modded) and have played it since it was first released. This is as exciting an announcement as I could ever have hoped for in the summer.

Now I just have to hope my laptop will be powerful enough to run the blasted game. One of the main reasons I play Diablo 2 still is my computer's OS (Mac), and the fact that Blizzard co-releases its games on both OS's. <3

If you want something new, play another game, wtf. What did you expect it to be? :p

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It would be cool if Blizzard actually seeded the gameplay trailer on their torrent. I don't really want to watch some low quality flv crap.

lol

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Kuwen Furyblades
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I am a fanboy for the Diablo Franchise so im excited they made a Diablo III finnally. yay!

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Yeah! I initially was kind of passive, but I am more and more excited by it. I want to see this gameplay trailer... 20 mins! I am 55% on that torrent. :/

I'll get excited when I see a release date. That there would be a Diablo III was inevitable. You knew it would happen. I knew it would happen. Everybody knew it would happen. We just didn't know when. We still don't know when aside from "when it's done."

I'm still pretty excited about it, but the only thing I'm disappointed about is that it's only going to be 5 classes. I would have thought they would improve upon that after Diablo 2 =/ Other than that, I'm pretty hyped. But yea, despite the fact that it looks like it's been in development for a while(not unexpected), I would say another year before release.

That 20 minute game play video makes the game look like its mechanically complete though I'm sure it still needs tweaking and content. I'd expect it to hit the market mid to late 2009.

If it wasn't for the fact it's Blizzard we're talking about here, I'd say June 09, but... it is Blizzard.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

I never understood why people want more than 5 classes.

Barbarian, Sorcerer and Amazon are locks. Necromancer gets replaced by Witchdoctor and the 5th will be a paladin type most likely.

Assassain and Druid added nothing great really in LoD. Focus on the existing classes trees would have went farther. If they do trees right this time, those 5 classes will feel more like 25, which is how it should be.

Necromancer class was my favorite. blah.

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Trapsins were nice if nothing but for the novelty of doing something different. The druids were good for giving my oldest something to run around with bears and wolves, lol.

The necros were a way better pet class anyway.

My zeal/smiter could solo anything, but it was built to be a god build just to solo uber trist. If you did it right you could be level 50 in 15~ hours or less anyway, and to 70 in maybe another 5.

We talked about most of this last night in IRC anyway.

Honestly I didn't really get bored with Diablo 2 until I had to spend ungodly amounts of time to farm up enough runes or magic items to get the 1 item I needed.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

I liked Barbarian from the origs.

I'm sorry they're dumping classes but it's funny how so many people in WoW today were proclaiming this would be the 'WoW killer'. Sure it will hold people's attention for a time, but hardly a WoW killer, IMO.

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Yeah no shit. Lol. Single player games like that (or short lived online games) will never kill a 10 million+ subscribtion MMO. Heh. Dummies.

I heard people in AoC who were like "Man, anyone not impressed by the Diablo 3 footage?"

Lame asses. That shit looked bad ass.

Many of those 10 million are blizz kids that came over from D2 when WoW launched. D3 Won't kill WoW by any means but I'm sure it will have a noticeable effect.

I do not understand why they would even make the assumption that it will affect WoWs playerbase.

Apple and Orange. I will give credit where it is due, diablo 1 and Battle.net are as much responsible for WoWs success as anything, but D3 will hardly "compete" with WoW for money.

Or in other words, nobody is seriously going to cancel a WoW subscription to play D3. Especially when it will be a matter of weeks or months before people can just bot run softcore ladder in it while they play WoW.

What's most exciting for me is the community my guild has built in WoW and being able to transfer much of that over to D3; it also seems like there's going to be even more emphasis on cooperative gameplay as well.

I also agree with Givin's take on classes as far as what classes are locked in but I'm hoping a second brand new class will fill in for the Paladin.

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Diablo is long over due for M/F of every class, thats one major thing that made me mad about d2.

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I'd say that out of the old classes, Barbarian (duh) and Sorcerer/Sorceress are shoe ins. And its obvious that the Witchdoctor is Necromancer 2.0 (which is fine, the WD looks great).

I'm not so sure about Amazon based on the whole Male/Female of each class now, since I'm fairly certain that even in the Diablo Universe they're an all female warrior society (and men are nothing but breeding tools). What I see happening here is a combination of the Amazon and Druid, making way for Diablo version of a Hunter class.

As for the 5th class to possibly replace the paladin. Since they mentioned in the Diablo 3 panel that all of the character classes are supposed to be people who are "in a bit of a gray area morally", I can see the 5th being some sort of Deathknight/Shadowknight/Anti-Paladin. It would certainly fit imho.

Either way, I'm actually pretty excited about this game...more so then I am about WotLK really.

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I liked the idea that popped up on the FoH boards. You want a Paladin-esque character but without the Lawful Good tra-la-la bullshit. Someone suggested a character similar to Solomon Kane (Google it, Robert E. Howard shit). Gun weilding, Puritan-like, righteousness-by-sword kinda shit. Kinda like a hybrid of the Saint of Killers (from the Preacher comic) and the Inquisition (all of it).

But then, I don't think Diablo fans would appreciate guns in their world.

Conquistadors? Guns and Plate-mail, Not exactly good guys but just in their own minds. I doubt that they would make two physical ranged attack classes though.

The Witch Doctor, and the final fight in the Gameplay Video both look pretty cool to me.

Looks like an upgrade to whatever engine Marvel Ultimate Alliance used. Which isn't a bad thing.

Game looks great- glad to see they finally figured out how to make a high res Diablo game!

In Diablo the tra-la-la is how they get their power. Wouldn't mind if they did away with the class entirely though. I blame them for the auras that made physical immune bosses pwnmobiles.

And no corpse explosion then? WUT?

Sarissa Candyangel

I love corpse explosion! I installed Diablo II last night and playing on the US west server

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The sorcerer is a must, so that only leaves 2 more classes. I'm guessing paladin or shadowknight type that uses 1 handed weapon and a shield since barbs never really use shields, and a modified amazon that focuses on bow use. I wouldn't be surprised if the amazon becomes more like the wow hunter and has a constant pet that levels up with the player as opposed to the typical diablo summon and forget pets.

I kind of agree... graphically -- it looks a lot like World of Warcraft. Would expect something more.

It could be a gamma change. At trade shows like E3 you have to turn up gamma so people can see what's going on at a distance.

Sarissa Candyangel

If they do have an Amazon/Hunter type class, I hope they do away with ammo drops.

Nothing is more annoying than getting a quiver of arrows or crossbow bolts in treasure chests and mob drops.

People that complain about the game "looking like WoW" are just looking for something to complain about.

Looking at those screenshots, I much prefer not having neon blue fog and neon green stones, but ultimately I don't care. As long as the game is fun, I could be thunderstomping with a Hello Kitty avatar and not care.

I'm not complaining. It does look very similar to WoW though. That's just kind of an aesthetic fact. That's not a bad thing though. It looks good. Comparable textures almost to Half-Life 2 in terms of the stone and stuff. That's what I keep thinking when I see it.

This is why people don't take your opinion regarding games seriously. It looks nothing like WoW whatsoever.

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And why did you put the same post in 2 different threads?

I would agree with the screenshot thing... except go look at the damn video. Whoever took the screenshots needs to pay fucking attention, it's not *that* light in the actual video footage.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

Does it look like WoW or does it look like Diablo? If you posted screenshots of Diablo, Diablo 2, and World of Warcraft next to each other, what would you say the D3 screenshots looked like? As I said, people who are already complaining about how the game looks are just looking for shit to complain about. Wait until the 5 classes, the trees, etc. are officially announced. I am sure we'll hear lots of whining then.

That guy just needs to learn2screenshot.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

People that snipe on the Diablo franchise because of graphics are very funny to me.

"I'm going to install this 10 year old game brah. Maybe my new three thousand dollar RHIG will make it look better."

They could photoshop tits into those screenshots and it would not matter. Diablo is a pristine example of how gameplay and the right flavor of carrot gives your game infinite replayability. So much to the point that people have went out and re bought the games several times over the course of 10 years. If it were any other franchise, killing the end bad guy for the 3rd time on the hardest difficulty ends the game. That's it. Doesn't matter if you need 3 more pieces of gear to complete some set you are wearing, you're done. Yes you can go back and do boss runs in these games but for some reason there is zero appeal to do so compared to diablo.

Titan Quest, while a good game in its own right failed at re creating this magic. I tried it, and it felt like a god damn chore. There was no pull to do it like Diablo, wondering what nice loots would drop this time. If my luck would change and I'd get a really powerful item this time around.

And if graphics were the deciding factor then Titan Quest, or even Sacred:Gold should win that battle with ease. But yet they are far inferior to Diablo 2.

So it doesn't matter what the game looks like so long as it is packed to the outer sphincter with loot. Even shit loot, like The Diggler is better than anything I ever found in Titan Quest. To be honest with you, I cannot name one piece of loot that I found in Titan Quest of any importance. I also, in 10 years of playing, never got a Stone of Jordan. But I knew the name, and it was legend.

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Oh, and those screenshots. They look bad. Piss burnt brown bad.

I'm not sure that Titan Quest is necessarily inferior as much as it simply wasn't first to be great. I tend to think of Diablo II to be similiar to my EQ experience for its genre. I look back and remember all the great shit that happened in EQ, and wonder why every MMO afterwords isn't giving me that kind of magic. With Diablo II, we know our gear from it because like EQ it was the first to get that type of gameplay down in a compelling way.

Dude you kiddin me? The UI elements are essentially the same and the art style is clearly that of Blizzard's.

I'm not COMPLAINING about the graphics. I think they look great. I played the shit out of Diablo and Diablo 2. I just thought that definitely it COULD look better. (Given the current generation of computers and graphics.)

Diablo 2 was recycled Diablo 1, so it shouldn't surprise you. Not much new and interesting in SC2, either. I'm sure they will both be great, but not exactly innovative.

Yay installed diablo II :p

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I find it funny that people are have such strong opinions and complaints about a game that is basically less then 72 hours old (though it has been in development for 4+ years according to one interview with the Lead Designer)...and I explained this to Harabakc this morning before telling him to go look at the Gameplay video on the website again, hence his comment about the screenshots.

So the UI looks a bit like WoW's Base UI...is it really that big of a deal? I could in turn argue that WoW's base UI looks a lot like Diablo 2's UI combined with a modified EQ1 UI. So the Witch Doctor is basically the Necro 2.0 and to quote Hara...



...but is that really enough of a reason to bash a character that NO ONE has seen or played outside the people in Blizzard?

Blizzard isn't looking to reinvent the wheel...SC2 is gonna play like SC1, and D3 is going to be an extension/expansion of the good things from D2 (which was an extension/expansion of the good things from D1) plus more. I think the game even in its current state looks great and I honestly can't wait to play it.

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I seriously did hate those fetish mother fuckers, enough so that that model alone is disappointing to see, especially in place of something that looked pretty cool in the first place. Copy the witch doctor skill tree as presented in the gameplay video and put it on a necro and I wouldn't be disappointed.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

The most disappointing thing about the portrayed graphics is that most of them could have easily been done 1-34 years ago in a non-MMO game. Hell in an MMO game, and this game isn't coming out for what a year? two? Three?

By the standards we expect in the coming years, WoW-looking. not WoW-looking? Those are, frankly, crappy graphics.

For it to compete properly (beyond fan-boi's buying it cause of the name) It needs to be overhauled graphically to match the games it will be competing against.

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The most disappointing thing about the graphics is I have to read a years worth of people whining and giving stupid ass expectations on a game that never promised them in the first place.

I swear to christ some of you people would buy Mad Dog 20 20 and then complain about the taste.

I'd still play Diablo 2 if I could get it in 1680x1050. Too hard to see in an 800x600 window and too stretched to play in fullscreen.

I'm predicting November 2008 for the release. Time enough to do tweaking (by the looks of the gameplay video, it's already built) and produce enough copies just in time for the Christmas shopping season.

Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like getting the Lord of the Nine Hells under the tree!

Even worse then the nerd rage, other gaming companies are basically starting to bash the art design of D3 and SC2. Here's a quote from Fallout 3 producer Ashley Chung (pulled this off Kotaku ):



This is what confuses me most. The Nerds Fanbois want D3 to look more like D2 (WE NEED MORE BROWN) and other developers are basically saying that they should've gone with a more "updated" engine/graphics/art design. Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Blizzard like creating games that will run on your average PC?

Think about that for a second. When has a Blizzard game required some outrageous system specs in order to even play it on the minimal settings? Never. Why? Because for their flaws they realize that not EVERYONE runs with "Windows Vista, Core 2 Duo E6600 or equivalent, 2 GB of RAM, 512 MB DirectX 9.0c Graphics Card with Shader 2.0 support (NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX or equivalent)" (AoC's Recommended system spec's). They know the average gamer probably runs at half of that, and as we all know from WoW, Blizzard aims to appease everyone.

Again, I will repeat this and probably will over and over again through the course of waiting for D3 to be released...Blizzard doesn't reinvent the wheel, they refine and tune their winning formulas and it has never failed them once.

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It should be suprising, they seem to start with system specs around top of the line, when they start development. Then 3-4 years later, it's about right for virtually almost anyone to be able to play the games.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

Why does everyone get so up in the air about graphics when the gameplay and replayability is second to none?

How many times have we seen a company focus on graphics and more graphics and not deliver?

It's simple. Blizzard always use tolerable graphics to the point that it only becomes an issue until you play the game. Once you play the game, it's forgotten. We go through this everytime... it never fails. I'm prepared for the rage and so forth, whatever. The bottom line is, Blizzard typically delivers. I still love Diablo games and still play Starcraft.

If it's any help, for example sake, if I had a choice to play any Final Fantasy to date, i'll play Final Fantasy 2 (US) and Final Fantasy 3 (US) on SNES over anything that has been or will be in the gaming industry.

Muli

Don't try to rationalize with nerds and geeks. There's a reason why they are called nerds and geeks.

Because it's Blizzard, they really haven't released a title yet that failed at those. So getting the game you enjoy playing to look better is a good thing.

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Marauder Harabakc Goat

That's probably why I like Blizzard. While I'm not exactly a fanboy, I appreciate the fact that don't go for this bleeding edge bullshit. Trying to utilize the most latest leet shader, pixel, multi-dumaflochi polygon incorporated antistropic whatthefuckever is usually synonymous for "trying to hide the fact there's little in the way of fun or an actual game".

I would like to see more companies trying to refine what has existed for a while rather than trying to find reasons to utilize everything just coming out.

And on that note, for fucks sake stop bloating the data and start refining the code.