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I don't "like it" but I accept it. We aren't in 1994 anymore, Toto.

Do not get me wrong. I understand the point about wanting to be able to play without having an online connection. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Let me ask this, and please be honest.

How often do you go out of town and boot up your laptop to play video games (or in Venen's case, how often do you "go camping" and want to play video games while you are out in the wilderness)?
Which games are you booting up to play (are they always the newest game you purchased, or do you catch yourself playing some older stuff at times)?
How long do you expect to play Diablo 3 when it is released (are you thinking this is something you'll be playing for a few years or a few months)?
How rare is it REALLY that you don't have an internet connection, or the ability to GET an internet connection if you absolutely need one?

The "anti-cheating measure" is absolutely also DRM, but we're talking here like it's somehow outrageous that it makes stealing the game difficult. Are we really complaining in here because an anti-piracy measure looks like it'll work?

Bov, are you going to sit here and say you wouldn't play online? Venen? Jox? I call bullshit. While you may not play online all the time, I'd bet pretty much everything I had that your primary reason for getting the game wouldn't be for an engrossing story, or a thrilling single-player experience. You'd get the game to play online.

Except...it won't. I doubt it will last a month. Granted, that's definitely reduced piracy to be sure, but still punishes the paying customer. The first rule of DRM that MUST be learned by publishers: It should be a BETTER experience to have bought the product, than to have stolen it. If I have to download a crack to enjoy From Dust (or Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, etc), then they're doing it wrong.

I played D2 briefly and never picked it up again. I just couldn't get into it. Then again when I started playing EQ I pretty much stopped playing everything that wasn't a MMO. Even though the game looks cool, I doubt ill buy.

Profitable mmo's might be. But how many of those are there?

I'll buy it, but not right away. Every available cent goes to the wedding pirates until that's over.

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As a result, fans have often pointed out[1] that while D3 removed numerous problems with D2's MP play, it's actually removed a lot of the bonuses as well, and that the D3 developers seem to simply assume fans will play together, even in the absence of actual benefits for doing so. That the vast majority of games during the Diablo 3 beta are single player seems to support this concern.
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Author:	krby71 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:29 PM ]
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I don't know if I am buying it. I am not saying that I WON'T buy it, just don't know yet. I played all of D1, D2, and D2 LOD in single player, offline mode. I beat them with different characters and different difficulties. I didn't start playing online until I started playing EQ (then I never played Diablo again...)

Author:	Elessar [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:54 PM ]
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Neesha the Necro wrote: I don't "like it" but I accept it. We aren't in 1994 anymore, Toto. And not all of us are minimum wage monkeys either. Planes + laptops = I want to play it. Or, shitbag foreign internet is another example. Your griping about our griping is the same fucking thing you're whining about, but even less relevant. To make this thread complete, how about I offer that we step outside and discuss it? Yay, Nazis. Thread over.

Author:	Lord Traxor [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:30 PM ]
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Focker, Out!

Author:	Finlainea [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:11 PM ]
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The area where I live has a land area of 57,674.26 km2 (22,268.16 sq mi). As of the 2006 census, the population of the region was 143,872 inhabitants. That's 6.4 persons per square miles. So if you live outside of a town around here you don't have access to cable/high speed internet because it's too expensive to deploy. I don't mind online activation but always on connection... That's different. They could have continued with open/closed characters and people who want a cheat free environement (pfff yeah right like there's no cheating in D2 with closed characters or starcraft 2...) could have closed characters and the people who don't have constant on connection could have open characters. Deny access to cash auction for open characters. Oh wait that makes too much sense... Like I said... If you think for a minute it's for a cheat free environment that they removed off line mode then you are a dumbass.

Author:	Venen [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:39 PM ]
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Quote: Do not get me wrong. I understand the point about wanting to be able to play without having an online connection. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Let me ask this, and please be honest. How often do you go out of town and boot up your laptop to play video games (or in Venen's case, how often do you "go camping" and want to play video games while you are out in the wilderness)? Which games are you booting up to play (are they always the newest game you purchased, or do you catch yourself playing some older stuff at times)? How long do you expect to play Diablo 3 when it is released (are you thinking this is something you'll be playing for a few years or a few months)? How rare is it REALLY that you don't have an internet connection, or the ability to GET an internet connection if you absolutely need one? I probably go on hiking trips an average of once per week at this point, and it's been steadily increasing as I've put more focus into my job. I definitely enjoy that "out of the office" time, but I also enjoy working on things so I bring my laptop for both purposes as well. Even so, it's a pretty important time for me to relax after a long work week, and losing it is a major bummer if I can't play a game that I really enjoy. So it hinges on how much enjoyment I'd get from the game, really. With my gameplay time much more limited than it used to be, that "OMG it's just an hour or two out of the whole week you could play!" isn't quite as miniscule as you suggest, especially when it comes at a time when I enjoy it most. So to answer your question about rarity, it's becoming increasingly common these days that I find myself without an internet connection. I admit I boot up old titles from time to time, but I'm pretty back and forth in which games I play so newer titles aren't off the table for the laptop. This also answers the question about playing Diablo 3 months from now, however. I enjoy popping out the old good ones, and if Diablo 3 is anywhere as close to a classic as D1 and 2 were, there's no question that 6 months or many years from now I'll be loading it up from time to time. Or rather, would be assuming it doesn't require this "always on" internet connection nonsense. If I could accumulate the amount of hours I've played old games, it would end up being pretty high up there, and it'd be sad to see games like Diablo 3 chalked off that list. As I said, this issue is important to me, but it's not a deal-breaker. I will be buying the game, I'll just be disappointed about some aspects. Especially when they aren't necessary and the game would've been much better(in the former case, playable).

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Author:	Tranthas [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:12 PM ]
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If your use case is really "I take my laptop hiking", then it's not cost-effective for a business to satisfy your needs. The "anti-cheating measure" is absolutely also DRM, but we're talking here like it's somehow outrageous that it makes stealing the game difficult. Are we really complaining in here because an anti-piracy measure looks like it'll work?

Author:	Venen [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:20 PM ]
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My point was that it's one more reason on a list of reasons people dislike the internet connection requirement. Some people are claiming it's a superficial concern, I'm just saying there are legit reasons. It may not appear to be cost-effective not to do it from the standpoint of the number of people effected by it, but as is more often the case, people's discontent with unnecessary measures that have very little to do with the game's enjoyment can be enough reason for them to take action(hacking or otherwise attempting to diminish the game's integrity). This measure isn't going to eliminate hacking, and at best it will reduce piracy. A one-time activation that doesn't require "always on" serves the same purpose while making it a bit easier to hack, which is going to happen with or without "always on".

Author:	Neesha the Necro [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:48 PM ]
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Perhaps Blizzard should hire you since you did all of the research that their people failed to do, to know what works best for their business.

Author:	Venen [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:51 PM ]
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They'd have to beg me with some pretty strong incentives at this juncture =p You have a good point, though. Research is point and click; A peon's job. Logic is brain waves. But no, actually I think there's a reasonable point to be made about the hacking. For every competent gamer that plays with a tight-knit group of friends that has almost zero chance of being remotely effected by a hacker, there are another 50 thin-skinned idiots that play random pickup games with other tardfaces. Those people are the same people that allow their enjoyment of the game to be dictated by others around them(e-peen, high item prices, dumb groups, etc). If there is even a minute increase in hacking, that group's cries will be heard from here to Timbuktu. The question is whether that would be offset by an implementation that pisses off people for more practical reasons. /wink /wink

Author:	Elessar [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:27 PM ]
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Tranthas wrote: The "anti-cheating measure" is absolutely also DRM, but we're talking here like it's somehow outrageous that it makes stealing the game difficult. Are we really complaining in here because an anti-piracy measure looks like it'll work? Except...it won't. I doubt it will last a month. Granted, that's definitely reduced piracy to be sure, but still punishes the paying customer. The first rule of DRM that MUST be learned by publishers: It should be a BETTER experience to have bought the product, than to have stolen it. If I have to download a crack to enjoy From Dust (or Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, etc), then they're doing it wrong.

Author:	Bovinity Divinity [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:19 PM ]
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Quote: Bov, are you going to sit here and say you wouldn't play online? Venen? Jox? I call bullshit. While you may not play online all the time, I'd bet pretty much everything I had that your primary reason for getting the game wouldn't be for an engrossing story, or a thrilling single-player experience. You'd get the game to play online. Honestly? I didn't play Diablo 2 online. (Well, other than to see how it was) It just wasn't that interesting to me. I played through the single player on a few different classes and that was fun, but running through Baal 500 times to hit level 99 so I could run through Baal even faster seemed boring.

Author:	joxur [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM ]
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I don't really play any game online unless it's dedicated to it - mmo's, league of legends, etc. There are plenty of games with no online component whatsoever that are extremely popular, so I don't feel like I'm some sort of edge case scenario, either. If D3 requires an internet connection because it's an online-only game, that's fine. But if you can play the fucking thing without needing an internet connection, it shouldn't require one. How is that not common sense?

Author:	Tranthas [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:45 AM ]
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Quote: Except...it won't. I doubt it will last a month. Granted, that's definitely reduced piracy to be sure, but still punishes the paying customer. The first rule of DRM that MUST be learned by publishers: It should be a BETTER experience to have bought the product, than to have stolen it. If I have to download a crack to enjoy From Dust (or Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, etc), then they're doing it wrong. There's a dark thought. It's just barely possible that they're dumb enough to think that their Auction House offerings cover the gap.

Author:	Tranthas [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:47 AM ]
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I didn't play Diablo II online either. I almost never play online, unless I can create a private session with just my friends, because multiplayer gaming on the Internet is a spread vector for mind-herpes.

Author:	DarkOmen42 [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:35 PM ]
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Having a zealsmiter for torch runs maphack was invaluable. The rarity of some of the crap you needed to make the build work to solo uber trist almost required a bot or insane rune wealth.

Author:	Givin Wetwillies [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:34 PM ]
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Delayed till early 2012 like anybody is surprised. I'm not even the slightest bit disappointed. Still lots of cool stuff to look forward to.

Author:	Vanamar [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:41 PM ]
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joxur wrote: Profitable mmo's might be. But how many of those are there? MMOs are stupidly easy to make money on. Generally speaking, ten thousand subscribers is the break even point for subscription based MMOs, the sky is the limit with F2P/Microtransactions. LOTRO is (comparitively) making money hand over fist since they went the microtransaction route.

Author:	CakvalaSC [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:46 AM ]
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Already purchased, yep im a fanboy!

Author:	Myrtle Daturtle [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:42 AM ]
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People say cheating has been a problem for Diablo (2?) in the past. How was it a problem? Were safeguards in place to prevent players from cheating in multiplayer/online mode? And were offline/online play distinct (characters couldn't "cross over")?

Author:	Vanamar [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:02 AM ]
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There were two types of online play. "Open" Battle.net, where you could play with your offline characters and "closed" battle.net, where your characters were kept on blizzard's servers. Typically open games were hack fests, with lots of characters who'd been boosted by character editors -- no one took open battle.net seriously. Closed battle.net had a lot of item duping bugs (which they're still patching for!) but was mostly hack free otherwise due to the fact you couldn't directly edit your characters. Botting, on the other hand, was a huge problem. I participated myself, to be honest -- MephBot got me LOTS of wonderful uniques.

Author:	Neesha the Necro [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:03 AM ]
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Here is a link to some links to live streams of the beta: http://diablo.incgamers.com/diablo-3-beta-live-streams

Author:	Venen [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:45 PM ]
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Yea I'm in no rush to play it. I'd rather see the completed package. Lot of stuff on my "to play" list with what little time I have to game with these days anyway. My expectations aren't extremely high, either. I think I'd be satisfied with something a bit better than Titan Quest, which shouldn't be too hard to beat in 2011.

Author:	Lich Ekilam [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:17 PM ]
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I played D2 briefly and never picked it up again. I just couldn't get into it. Then again when I started playing EQ I pretty much stopped playing everything that wasn't a MMO. Even though the game looks cool, I doubt ill buy.

Author:	MuliganVanJurai [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:43 PM ]
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Lich Ekilam wrote: I played D2 briefly and never picked it up again. I just couldn't get into it. Then again when I started playing EQ I pretty much stopped playing everything that wasn't a MMO. Even though the game looks cool, I doubt ill buy. This is my concern for Diablo. Not in the sense that it won't sell well but in regards to my potential enjoyment. The best times I had in the Diablo franchise was when I didn't have a MMO in my life. Fast forward to now, MMO's are a part of gaming lifestyle. So how will this game fair with that crowd (which is a pretty huge playerbase). I think most will buy it but how many will play it for any length of time?

Author:	Tranthas [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:26 AM ]
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Blizzard's always late. Before Internet update patches, the rule was "It's late until it's out, but it's bad forever." It's still essentially true, in that if your patch isn't a day-zero update, you've lost half your users by the time you get it released. So, it'll be done when it's done -- this has always been their way.

Author:	joxur [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:29 PM ]
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Their policy is the extreme opposite of Bioware's with SWTOR, but it's still an extreme. Blizzard seems incapable of calling something done.

Author:	Tranthas [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:45 PM ]
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That's probably a healthy instinct in a world where MMO's are the most profitable games in existence.

Author:	joxur [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:51 PM ]
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Profitable mmo's might be. But how many of those are there?

Author:	Fribur [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:21 PM ]
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Its been my impression that most of them are profitable. Pretty much any mmo that is still operating in a year I would bet is making money.

Author:	CakvalaSC [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:04 PM ]
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Even everquest has been doing the Micro-transactions in game for a while now.

Author:	Neesha the Necro [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:17 AM ]
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Release Date: May 15 http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4612389/Test-3_16_2012

Author:	Evilundead Afterlife [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:54 AM ]
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Neesha the Necro wrote: Release Date: May 15 http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4612389/Test-3_16_2012 Wow it's going to be released sooner than I thought haha I was thinking June or July

Author:	Finlainea [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:33 PM ]
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I hope its better than the beta... Oh and lol PVP arena patched in at a later date? lol

Author:	Givin Wetwillies [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:05 AM ]
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I'll tell you one thing it's going to be better than. This new layout that's what.

Author:	Tranthas [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:10 PM ]
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Remember Oni? Very pretty for its time, ran smoothly on a reasonable machine, good play control -- and three hours long.

Author:	MuliganVanJurai [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:58 PM ]
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Pre Ordered as well. I think I may need a mindless MMO break. Even with TOR 1.2 coming out, I think I need a little something different. I loved D1 and played D2 very little due to EQ/MMO's. I look for it to be fun and would love a shot at beta just to help my learning curve but that's part of the fun I guess. I'm looking forward to the initial patches... i.e. PvP, Arena, etc.

Author:	Tranthas [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:47 PM ]
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I'll buy it, but not right away. Every available cent goes to the wedding pirates until that's over.

Author:	CakvalaSC [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:03 AM ]
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Tranthas wrote: I'll buy it, but not right away. Every available cent goes to the wedding pirates until that's over. Wedding pirates suck!