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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:19 AM 
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Story by The Telegraph's Nile Gardiner about the reasons why the Obama presidency is in meltdown. (Full Story here)

I think he is pretty much on with these:
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Can it get any worse for President Obama? Undoubtedly yes. Here are 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in serious trouble, and why its prospects are unlikely to improve between now and the November mid-terms.
1. The Obama presidency is out of touch with the American people
In a previous post I noted how the Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien Régime, extravagant, decaying and out of touch with ordinary Americans. The First Lady’s ill-conceived trip to Spain at a time of widespread economic hardship was symbolic of a White House that barely gives a second thought to public opinion on many issues, and frequently projects a distinctly elitist image. The “let them eat cake” approach didn’t play well over two centuries ago, and it won’t succeed today.

2. Most Americans don’t have confidence in the president’s leadership
This deficit of trust in Obama’s leadership is central to his decline. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, “nearly six in ten voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country”, and two thirds “say they are disillusioned with or angry about the way the federal government is working.” The poll showed that a staggering 58 per cent of Americans say they do not have confidence in the president’s decision-making, with just 42 per cent saying they do.

3. Obama fails to inspire
In contrast to the soaring rhetoric of his 2004 Convention speech in Boston which succeeded in impressing millions of television viewers at the time, America is no longer inspired by Barack Obama’s flat, monotonous and often dull presidential speeches and statements delivered via teleprompter. From his extraordinarily uninspiring Afghanistan speech at West Point to his flat State of the Union address, President Obama has failed to touch the heart of America. Even Jimmy Carter was more moving.

4. The United States is drowning in debt
The Congressional Budget Office Long-Term Budget Outlook offers a frightening picture of the scale of America’s national debt. Under its alternative fiscal scenario, the CBO projects that US debt could rise to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, 109 percent by 2025, and 185 percent in 2035. While much of Europe, led by Britain and Germany, are aggressively cutting their deficits, the Obama administration is actively growing America’s debt, and has no plan in place to avert a looming Greek-style financial crisis.

5. Obama’s Big Government message is falling flat
The relentless emphasis on bailouts and stimulus spending has done little to spur economic growth or create jobs, but has greatly advanced the power of the federal government in America. This is not an approach that is proving popular with the American public, and even most European governments have long ditched this tax and spend approach to saving their own economies.

6. Obama’s support for socialised health care is a huge political mistake
In an extraordinary act of political Harakiri, President Obama leant his full support to the hugely controversial, unpopular and divisive health care reform bill, with a monstrous price tag of $940 billion, whose repeal is now supported by 55 per cent of likely US voters. As I wrote at the time of its passing, the legislation is “a great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals, and could not be further from the vision of America’s founding fathers.”

7. Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill has been weak-kneed and indecisive
While much of the spilled oil in the Gulf has now been thankfully cleared up, the political damage for the White House will be long-lasting. Instead of showing real leadership on the matter by acing decisively and drawing upon offers of international support, the Obama administration settled on a more convenient strategy of relentlessly bashing an Anglo-American company while largely sitting on its hands. Significantly, a poll of Louisiana voters gave George W. Bush higher marks for his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, with 62 percent disapproving of Obama’s performance on the Gulf oil spill.

8. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration
It is hard to think of a single foreign policy success for the Obama administration, but there have been plenty of missteps which have weakened American global power as well as the standing of the United States. The surrender to Moscow on Third Site missile defence, the failure to aggressively stand up to Iran’s nuclear programme, the decision to side with ousted Marxists in Honduras, the slap in the face for Great Britain over the Falklands, have all contributed to the image of a US administration completely out of its depth in international affairs. The Obama administration’s high risk strategy of appeasing America’s enemies while kicking traditional US allies has only succeeded in weakening the United States while strengthening her adversaries.

9. President Obama is muddled and confused on national security
From the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the War on Terror, President Obama’s leadership has often been muddled and confused. On Afghanistan he rightly sent tens of thousands of additional troops to the battlefield. At the same time however he bizarrely announced a timetable for the withdrawal of US forces beginning in July 2011, handing the initiative to the Taliban. On Iraq he has announced an end to combat operations and the withdrawal of all but 50,000 troops despite a recent upsurge in terrorist violence and political instability, and without the Iraqi military and police ready to take over. In addition he has ditched the concept of a War on Terror, replacing it with an Overseas Contingency Operation, hardly the right message to send in the midst of a long-war against Al-Qaeda.

10. Obama doesn’t believe in American greatness
Barack Obama has made it clear that he doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism, and has made apologising for his country into an art form. In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that “no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.” It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America’s greatness in history can actually lead the world’s only superpower with force and conviction.
There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it’s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth.
This, combined with weak leadership both at home and abroad against the backdrop of tremendous economic uncertainty in an increasingly dangerous world, has contributed to a spectacular political collapse for a president once thought to be invincible. America at its core remains a deeply conservative nation, which cherishes its traditions and founding principles. President Obama is increasingly out of step with the American people, by advancing policies that undermine the United States as a global power, while undercutting America’s deep-seated love for freedom.


To me #3 is the most revealing. Obama was the inspiring light on the campaign in 2008. He was brining throngs of people in to the political spectrum that had never before been inspired. Now he is a not even a shadow of what he once was.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:59 PM 
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So much of that is vague opinion, and some of it I can agree with, but I do want to say this about #10.

It says Obama said this:

“no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.”


I agree with this statement completely. No nation should be doing this. What's more, this has nothing to do with Obama believe in "American exceptionalism." In fact, the entire paragraph is vague and silly, given that just like every other President who has ever run the country, Obama constantly talks about how awesome we are.

The next sentence just says, "see? He's ebil!"

This stuff just bugs me. I'm really getting tired of politics... burnt out. There doesn't seem to be anything I can do anyway, and over and over and over again every seems to simply go with whatever their preconceived ideas about an issue are... including me. Wait this article goes against someone I like? Then everything must be wrong! Wait, this article denigrates someone I don't like. IT MUST BE GOSPEL TRUTH.

Fuck it. I just don't feel like it. I know people perceive me as being just like that on my side of the political fence, and I don't know how to change it. I know that I try to be even handed, but I bet everyone thinks they are even handed.

I'm just tired of it all, and I'm rambling.

I'd like to start a thread here sometime that simply asks this question:

"Forget politics. Forget parties. Imagine a country approximately as wealthy and populous as ours. What would be your ideal government? What would you expect a government to do and not do? What would be the ideal situation for you?"

Every time I try to make an answer to that one, it gets very long, and so I haven't posted the thread yet. But I hope if I ever get it done, or if this turns into that... that we could try having that conversation without devolving into stupid bullshit namecalling again. I'd be willing to try not to if you (general you, not anyone specific) would!

Anyway, I ramble.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:33 PM 
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Yeah, that's the usual political stuff. Vague, unsubstantiated opinions that are usually just various and sundry ways of saying, "I don't like that guy." but spreading it out over 10 paragraphs.


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WELL those are all just silly, minus the nuking Canada

I'd probably vote Tea party if they could get that done


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:54 PM 
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I love the tea party and Sarah Palin, besides comic relief they are guaranteeing a GOP loss in 2012. Finally they get to experience the Nader effect. The once mighty GOP is falling apart !


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Falling?

The GOP fell apart the instant the moral majority got ahold of it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:24 AM 
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Vanamar wrote:
Falling?

The GOP fell apart the instant the moral majority got ahold of it.


The GOP has always had a religious undertone, but in recent elections it has gone overboard. There is a reason chuch and state were seperated and I don't understand why that isn't more clear to the GOP leadership.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:48 AM 
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I think "fall apart" is pretty strong language and not really representative of reality.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:55 PM 
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The once mighty GOP is falling apart !
Err.. You may be right about 2012. But have you looked at polling numbers for 2010?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:19 PM 
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The once mighty GOP is falling apart !
Err.. You may be right about 2012. But have you looked at polling numbers for 2010?


Yup and BOTH parties are a bit fucked in terms of gaining support of the Independents. Hopefully we see some DEMONSTRABLE growth in that demographic.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:24 AM 
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I would love to see the self-described Independents all become Republicans after this election and try to push out the religious right.


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I would love for the self described independents to wake up and see that the answer is not (R) or (D) and that there are other parties that are closer to what they believe and they start voting for them.

But the mass voting population is dumb. They vote for (D) when (R) has done something wrong then go back to voting for (R) when (D) has done the most recent wrong.

We should be on the cusp of a voting revolution when parties not (R) or (D) begin to get a foothold in American politics. However I feel that we are in for deeper voter apathy where nothing really changes and the two parties continue to rape the future and make a total mess of the current.


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But the mass voting population is dumb. They vote for (D) when (R) has done something wrong then go back to voting for (R) when (D) has done the most recent wrong.


The thought process isn't even that coherent, there doesn't have to be anything that anyone does wrong. Seems like it's more of a cycle of instilled discontent where people are constantly fed the impression that everything is going wrong, that they should be unhappy, and that "Washington" or "Government" is to blame for it.

So when (D) is in charge, (R) will save us. When (R) is in charge, (D) will save us.


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