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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 AM 
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I just got sent this.
I am sure the opinion is Biased, but, it does not sound too good.
I bring it here to be picked apart by you people who know more about these things.

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Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey


Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

More Scrutiny Needed

On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.

(Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Betsy McCaughey at Betsymross@aol.com


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 AM 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:43 AM 
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I was sent the link in IM from a friend of mine.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:44 AM 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:51 AM 
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Worthy, none of this so-called stimulus package has been truly vetted. The "emergency" designation by Obama precluded the bill from being properly broken up & sent to the various committees that deal with the individual areas for hearings and examinations. By bypassing the normal process, kind of like the Patriot Act, we will certainly see many surprises in the days to come.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:04 AM 
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I have listened to some of what Obama has been saying. He is pushing for something to get done, but, it is like he wants to get things passed without anyone really looking at it.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:28 AM 
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It's anti-Obama, so it must be right (right Joxur?)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:14 PM 
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Worthy, I'd encourage you to try a little critical reading for yourself so you can learn to spot bullshit.

Do you see any real information about the specifics of the matter at hand? (the bill)

What is the ratio of factual information to conjecture? (i.e. specifics of the bill vs 'Daschle said something in a book that may or may not have any real application to this')

Is their 'argument' based on the facts or their method of conjecture? In this case it seems as all their evidence of 'badness' comes from parallels they perceive (yet don't explain in depth) from a book written by a liberal guy, and a 2006 ruling in the UK, because obviously we'd do it exactly the same way.

This is a message meant to scare you, based on a wholly superficial and slanted viewpoint. The bogeymen of 'Daschle', 'bureaucracy', 'socialized medicine' and 'elderly at risk' are emphasized with little or no actual meaning or relation to the matter at hand. The assumptions are wildly worst case (conservative-wise) scenario with no actual proof to support it.

It doesn't take much to spot bullshit, just a little bit of logic.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:57 PM 
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If he were critical and observant, he wouldn't have anything to post.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:48 PM 
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Damn that's cold, Syuni!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:11 AM 
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That was talked about a lot on the National News interview with Tom Daschle

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:24 PM 
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While I haven't read the parts of the bill complained about in the article (and it is extremely easy to misconstrue or misrepresent legislation) and no specific provisions are mentioned, some of the general tensions addressed in the article are worth discussing. Do the old have a right to resources that could be used for more productive things? Why shouldn't we impose a cost-benefit analysis on procedures and potential research? We're talking about the irrational, desperate, and usually selfish hope of those in our society who are stricken with unfortunate and often faultless problems that nevertheless do not automatically deserve the full and self-deprecating attentions of the rest of society. Their accomplices are usually doctors afraid to face even the possibility of tort liability. Got a headache? MRI for you. In an "ideal" world with unlimited resources? Ok, fine, if it's worth the time and effort for you, whatever. But on someone else's dollar? Hell no.

And this whole "health care is a growth industry" argument pisses me off a little bit too. To what end? Until we're spending 98% of our Gross Domestic Product propping up corpses in hospital beds? Yes, we should be proud that everyone in our country can receive a certain baseline level of care and that we try to eliminate deaths that are reasonably preventable, but clearly there is a line. I'm not saying I know where that line is. I'm just saying that "health care is a growth industry" is not a self-evident proposition. In fact, it's a fairly detestable one to me. I'm sure I'll feel differently when I need more medical care, but that's just the point; individual preferences for self-preservation should at some point be forced to recognize the natural and right place that death and even suffering have in our world.

Consider a hypothetical, or maybe more appropriately labeled an allegory: twin brothers are born and one of them has some debilitating illness that will require 24/7 attention for the rest of his life. Surely it would be cold and inhuman to say that the healthy twin has no responsibility to his brother, but it would equally be ridiculous to ask that same person to forfeit his life in the care of his sibling, simply because the illness exists. Unfortunately, the voting population of this country probably has a median age over 45 and so playing to the visceral fears of the electorate, as always, is easier than recognizing the truth and doing something about it. So I skeptically cheer on the thoughts in this article, hoping but hardly thinking it possible that someone even made an inch's progress towards rationality.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:34 AM 
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Arachtavix is correct. This is a conversation that has to happen at some point. We spend and spend and then spend some more to do research into and develop medical procedures and medicines that will keep people alive longer or save those who are born much too early causing lifelong disabilities without ever looking at the societal costs of doing so.


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