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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:15 PM 
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Allow me to illustrate.
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Pains in my ass
- Skycrasher is the king.
- Joxur, but I still like him.
- Tarot talks too much.
It's as petty and/or foolish to claim that the language from the Obama website doesn't have a limiting descriptor as it is to claim that I want to have Joxur's babies or that Skycrasher wears a crown and people should bow to him.

Now, if the only part you've read or heard is, "Skycrasher is the king," you have every expectation to take that at face value. If/When you find out that it's part of a larger outline and there's a limiting descriptor, i.e. Skycrasher is the king (of the pains in my ass), it's understandable that you may be momentarily confused or upset.

However, hurt feelings don't change the intent of the original message. Nor can the original author be completely responsible for quotations taken out of context (sure, each point should be as clear as possible, but it's completely impossible to remove all opportunities for corruption).

So, for those of you following along at home, here's the secret meaning of the above list:
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- Skycrasher is the king (of the pains in my ass).
- Joxur (is a pain in my ass), but I still like him.
- Tarot (is a pain in my ass when she) talks too much.
If you caught on to the subtle differences in use, very good! The first example, "Skycrasher is the king of the pains in my ass," shows categorization. The second example, "Joxur is a pain in my ass, but I still like him," shows competing ideas. And the last example, "Tarot is a pain in my ass when she talks too much," shows timeliness.

The Obama quote is an example of categorization.

Once you practice a bit, you'll find there's really nothing to it!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:44 PM 
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You're gonna stick to your guns, I'm gonna stick to mine :)

Pretty funny post. ;)

I don't agree that the title of that snippet locks down disclosure of bills to spending bills only, though I can see why you are sticking to it. It's definitely ambiguous. I guess the only way we'll know is if the administration is confronted by it. They will have the opportunity to clarify. I have a feeling they'll say something along the lines of "we're still setting up the system and will do a better job of making sure these bills are up there like we promised" and NOT "we only meant that to be about spending bills". We'll see.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:47 PM 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:49 PM 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:14 PM 
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Ok, Leo.

SCHIP passes (woohoo!).

Nothing posted on WH website.

Your thoughts?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... 667/692937

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Team Obama will now be 0-for-2 in honoring the pledge to post all non-emergency legislation on the White House web site for public comment before the president signs it.

...snip...

But it does demonstrate a certain lack of seriousness about the pledge. Which itself probably reveals a certain lack of seriousness in the pledge.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:40 PM 
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In more transparency news, the #2 guy at HUD had the biggest fine for illegal record withholding in Washington State history with more litigation pending.

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/012510.html

Sweet.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:18 AM 
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How does it feel to know that while you were defending him your hero was back in DC proving your defense wrong by signing into law a spending bill?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:33 AM 
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In the interests of fairness:

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For his second bill, Obama signed an expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Fund, which provides health coverage for low-income children. He signed it on Feb. 4, 2009, just hours after it was finalized in Congress.

This time, though, the White House had posted the text of the working bill to its Web site on Feb. 1, 2009, with the following note: "Since this version of the bill is expected to pass the House of Representatives in the coming week, we are making the legislation available for public comment now."

That doesn't quite cut it for his promise, though. The legislation was still in process in Congress, and even if no substantial changes were made, the possibility was still there. It's not the five-day waiting period he had promised.

It's also not emergency legislation. The bill's provisions don't kick in until April 1, 2009, almost three months from signing.

We asked the White House about this matter on Jan. 29, when Obama signed his first bill. Five days later, on the day of the SCHIP signing, we got a reply via e-mail from spokesman Tommy Vietor:

"During the campaign, the President committed to introducing more sunlight into the lawmaking process by posting non-emergency legislation online for five days before signing it. The President remains committed to bringing more transparency to government, and in this spirit the White House has posted legislation expected to come to the President's desk online for comment. We will be implementing this policy in full soon; currently we are working through implementation procedures and some initial issues with the congressional calendar. In the meantime, we will continue to post legislation on our website for comment as it moves through congress over the next few weeks."

In deciding on our ratings, we like to be reasonable about promises that take time to implement. That's why all the promises start at "No Action." But the White House has demonstrated it has the technical ability to post information to their site and allow comments. They're just not waiting the promised interval. So it's still a Promise Broken.


So, posted for comment but only a working version rather than the final version. Interesting that the intent of the promise is made clear that it is all legislation, not just spending bills.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:18 AM 
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More screwups:

Hilda Solis, Labor nominee, faces tax questions
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 4871.story

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General Says His Iraq Envoy Job Was Rescinded
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/washi ... =permalink
(the beautiful thing here is that not only was it rescinded and he was never told, but the eventual replacement does not speak Arabic and has no middle east experience)

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RIAA and BSA's Lawyers Taking Top Justice Posts
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid ... 05/1539251

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Following the appointment of RIAA's champion Donald Verrilli as associate deputy attorney general, here's a complete roundup of all the RIAA and BSA-linked lawyers comfortably seated at top posts at the Department of Justice by the new government. Not strange, since US VP Joe Biden is well known for pushing the copyright warmongers' agenda in Washington. Just in case you don't know, Verrilli is the nice man who sued the pants off Jammie Thomas.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:47 PM 
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I really don't know why I bother, since anything I write's going to get twisted...but...

Did you read the article on Solis all the way through? Having a city / county tax lien doesn't mean you're a scofflaw. Municipalities, in my experience, tend to stick liens on first, and then it is up to the individual to try to get it removed.

From personal experience, I found out over the summer that I've had a lien against me from the City of Bristol CT since 2004. I had no idea it existed until a got a letter from a collections agency. The City has apparently decided that the fact that I moved from CT to TX before the start of their car excise tax period is immaterial, and assessed an annual tax anway.

I never received a bill (gee, maybe because I no longer lived in the City...wow, what a crazy thought...). Nothing was ever forwarded to me in all the years I lived in Texas. But, apparently that doesn't matter, because CT state law allows a municipality to lay claim to penalties and interest on assessed taxes regardless of whether or not the assessed person or business knows about it, or whether or not the municipality ever sent them a bill. It's fucking ridiculous.

So for the last six months, I've been sending them every possible piece of data I have that might possible prove that I didn't live in Bristol, CT, from Oct 2003 until Sept 2004. One of the few pieces of paper I don't have is the original TX registration. I've sent registration renewals, a certified title history, my TX lease, my correspondence with my CT landlord about terminating the lease, payroll stubs for the period in question, etc. None of it is enough.

So I'm stuck in Mass trying to get TX DoT to get the info I need to some jackass collections dude in NY in order to clear everything with a city clerk in CT. I've spent several hours on the phone with TX, NY, and CT, sent three different requests for documentation, etc. etc. etc. It's been six months so far, and I have no idea how long it will take to clear.

So, yeah... liens? Half the time they're a crock of shit. And from the article, her husband's small business has been trying to contest them for a while. I feel for the guy, because, seriously, by the time you get done dealing with them, it would have been less painful to just pay the damn things. And they know that.

As far as I'm concerned, it's governmental extortion.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:03 PM 
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Yeah, I did read it. The tax code is complex, no doubt.

Here's another write-up:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... axes_N.htm

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Records at the Los Angeles County recorder's office showed there were 15 outstanding state and county tax liens against Sayyad and his business, totaling $7,630.57, not including interest. Two other liens worth $981 were released in 1999 after he repaid the taxes owed, records show. A tax lien is a legal claim filed by the government to collect unpaid taxes or fees.

Eleven of the outstanding liens sought to recover delinquent county taxes on unsecured property, which includes business equipment other than real estate. Those totaled $5,589.74, not including interest. Yakimowich confirmed that Sayyad paid the liens Wednesday, but he would not say how much the congresswoman's husband paid.

It is not clear, however, whether Sayyad settled the four other outstanding liens for county health fees, which Yakimowich said are collected by the Los Angeles County Fire Department, and state sales tax.

Records show Sayyad had two liens, from 1994 and 1996, for $1,255 in unpaid state sales taxes. The remaining two, from 1994 and 1995, are for $786 in unpaid county health and safety fees.

Vietor did not provide an exact sum of how much Sayyad repaid beyond "about $6,400" and did not address the liens for unpaid state and county fees.
That's a lot of liens, for a variety of reasons, spanning county and state government, over almost two decades. Remember Joe the Plumber? Didn't he have some liens against him..? I seem to recall some people on here pointing that out, though you might not be one. /shrug

If I read this correctly, it happened in 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999. At what point do you hire a competent tax advisor and take care of the problem?

I guess you could ask about the coincidental nature of so many people being nominated that have outstanding taxes, but I think the larger issue is that they are only just now paying them, after being nominated.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:19 PM 
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I guess that I've seen a lot of situations over the years involving small businesses getting in over their heads tax-wise. In a lot of circumstances, it is easier when cash flows are tight to push off paying county taxes, or use the cash set aside for payroll withholding, than it is to push off paying your suppliers or your employees. Someplace else I read (can't remember where atm - Sullivan? Kos?) that he's an auto mechanic that runs his own garage with like two bays and three employees, and that husband and wife combined have a net worth of under $150,000.

So it seems interesting to me that I'm seeing it raised as an issue by folks like Glenn Beck and Rush, since if this was anyone other than the husband of a Democratic confirmation nominee, folks like them would be using him as an example of the little guy getting run over by petty bureaucrats in an overly burdensome tax structure.

I haven't read up on the other two you linked, so I can't speak with any authority on them. The Solis case I've been folowing specifically because the nature of the tax questions caught my interest.

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