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I really had thought this was going to be a blogosphere scandal that would eventually get slapped away by the administration and would go away. Looks like I was wrong and the administration now has some splaining to do with AG Gonzales giving a press conference in about 5 minutes.

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It really does come across as if they fired those guys purely because they weren't targeting Democrats right before the elections. I wonder how they're going to try to explain the phone calls and political pressure other than "it never happened." Because, frankly, no one believes that.

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Oh yeah, bad juju here.

Not only did they fire these guys without grounds, for political reasons, but they intended to circumvent the process to get US senators confirmed, then lied about that, too.

Intention to circumvent (look at the PDFs on the DOJ website if you don't believe this quote):

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"I am only in favor of executing on a plan to push some USAs out if we really are ready and willing to put in the time necessary to select candidates and get them appointed. It will be counterproductive to DOJ operations if we push USAs out and then don't have replacements ready to roll immediately. I strongly recommend that as a matter of administration, we utilize the new statutory provisions that authorize the AG to make USA appointments. [By sidestepping the confirmation process] we can give far less deference to home state senators and thereby get 1.) our preferred person appointed and 2.) do it far faster and more efficiently at less political costs to the White House," - Kyle Sampson, Alberto Gonzales's Chief of Staff.


Lying about it before the judiciary committee in January from the AG:

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And so let me publicly sort of preempt perhaps a question you’re going to ask me, and that is: I am fully committed, as the administration’s fully committed, to ensure that, with respect to every United States attorney position in this country, we will have a presidentially appointed, Senate-confirmed United States attorney.

I think a United States attorney who I view as the leader, law enforcement leader, my representative in the community — I think he has greater imprimatur of authority, if in fact that person’s been confirmed by the Senate.


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ATTORNEY GENERAL SEEKS RESIGNATIONS FROM PROSECUTORS

March 24, 1993, Wednesday
By DAVID JOHNSTON, (Special to The New York Times); National Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 1, Column 1, 1053 words

DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Attorney General Janet Reno today demanded the prompt resignation of all United States Attorneys, leading the Federal prosecutor in the District of Columbia to suggest that the order could be tied to his long-running investigation of Representative Dan Rostenkowski, a crucial ally of President Clinton. Jay B. Stephens, the ...

Link below is a blog and a different take.
http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2007/02/lat ... times.html

I'm in no way defending the Bush administration, just pointing out that this isn't new.

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Reagan and Clinton did that. It's not unheard of to replace them when a new administration comes into office. This happens with cabinet members, too.

It's never happened midway through an administration.

From Kyle Sampson's e-mails (he's the Chief of Staff to the DOJ who resigned and who I quoted above):

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In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision


Also, from Former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta:

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Replacing most U.S. attorneys when a new administration comes in — as we did in 1993 and the Bush administration did in 2001 — is not unusual. But the Clinton administration never fired federal prosecutors as pure political retribution.


It's a little more crooked when you do it so selectively (to a handful rather than a blanket removal), and that "loyalty to the Bush administration" is cited in the e-mails, as well as trying to appoint a former member of the RNC to replace one of them (given the "Brownie" situation this should bother some of you).

From a WashPo article:

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Iglesias, the New Mexico prosecutor, was not on that list. Justice officials said Sampson added him in October, based in part on complaints from Sen. Pete V. Domenici and other New Mexico Republicans that he was not prosecuting enough voter-fraud cases


Doesn't that scare the shit out of you? The guy was replaced partly because a senator who potentially benefitted from voter-fraud cases leaned on someone to replace the guy doing the investigating?

Furthermore, why the fuck is language in the Patriot Act of all things giving the AG power to appoint his own US attorney's without Senator approval?


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Yes, yes, I know I'm always pimpin bloggingheads.tv. But this <a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/video.php?id=220&cid=1134">section of the diavlog</a> gives you a good feel for this scandal and you don't have to read!


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Seriously, <a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/cunningham/20070213-1448-bn13indict4.html">how hard</a> have these guys <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/abramoff-purge-attorney/">been working</a> to suppress investigations into Republicans?

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The most interesting one for me is Carol Lam in California. She was the U.S. Attorney investigating Duke Cunningham. Her investigation had expanded to include Rep. Jerry Lewis(CA), and on her way out the door she threw out the indictments of defense contractor Brent Wilkes who is accused of bribing Duke Cunningham, and Dusty Foggo, who resigned last May as the 3rd ranking official at the CIA because of Lam's investigation. Foggo's buddy Porter Goss mysteriously resigned as head of the CIA last May as well, amid rumors of limousines, poker parties, prostitutes, and bribes.

From the <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/16897081.htm">Kansas City Star</a>:
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In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.


Her investigation was becoming a very serious problem for the administration and the Republican party. She had to go. And she's just one of the attorneys. All of them have a story to be told. And now we're digging into the past, and finding things that at the time just smelled a bit fishy, now stink to high heaven. Bring on investigations, lets see what's there. They're trying to take away my juicy congressmen, bribes, and prostitutes scandal!


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More on Lam from <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013023.php">Talking Points Memo</a> with an interesting time line. Notice the above email from Sampson I posted was sent the same month that Dusty Foggo and Porter Goss resigned from the CIA.

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The timing is well worth noting. But the Lewis investigation wasn't the only trouble Lam was making. Look what else was happening in the couple weeks before May 11th ...

April 28th, 2006 -- Cunningham-Wilkes-Foggo "Hookergate" scandal <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008324.php">breaks open</a>. Probe grows out of San Diego US Attorney's Office's Cunningham investigation. CIA Director Goss <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000505.php">denies</a> involvement.

April 29th, 2006 -- Washington Post <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042802345.html">reports</a> that Hookergate's Shirlington Limo Service had $21 million contract with Department of Homeland Security.

May 2nd, 2006 -- Kyle "Dusty" Foggo <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000522.php">confirms attendence</a> at Wilkes/Cunningham Hookergate parties.

May 4th, 2006 -- Watergate Hotel <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000551.php">subpoenaed</a> in San Diego/Cunningham/Hookergate probe.

May 5th, 2006 -- WSJ <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008383.php">reports</a> that Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, who Goss installed as #3 at CIA, is under criminal investigation as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation.

May 5th, 2006 -- Porter Goss <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008375.php">resigns</a> as Director of Central Intelligence.

May 6th, 2006 -- WaPo <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008385.php">reports</a> on questionable DHS contract awarded to Shirlington Limo, the 'hookergate' Limo service under scrutiny as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation. Similar <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008387.php">report</a> in the Times.

May 7th, 2006 -- House Committee to <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000576.php">investigate</a> DHS contract with Hookergate's Shirlington Limo.

May 8th, 2006 -- Lyle "Dusty" Foggo <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008397.php">resigns</a> at CIA.

May 11th, 2006 -- LA Times <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000620.php">reports</a> that Cunningham investigation has <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008420.php">expanded</a> into the dealings of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), House Appropriations Committee Chairman.

May 12th, 2006 -- Federal agents working on the San Diego/Cunningham investigation <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008442.php">execute search warrants</a> on the home and CIA office of Kyle "Dusty" Foggo.


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The real story here is if the White House tried to use its power of appointment to put in power lawyers who would prosecute political enemies or punish existing US . That's Watergate-level stuff, imho. Pure, unadulterated corruption.

And the evidence points towards this. Hopefully the media will do their jobs and get to this issues, and stop worrying about whether Gonzales will resign.

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When was the last time we had a president that the opposite party didnt consider to be corrupt?

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Better yet, when was the last time we had a president where many within their OWN party considered them corrupt?


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Interesting post at <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/15/but-clinton-did-it-toooooo-uh-no-he-didnt/#more-7807">Firedoglake</a>, particularly this excerpt:
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Over at DailyKos, regular FDL commenter litigatormom rips into this particular wrinkle of the "But Clinton did it tooooo!" whine with gusto. She points to Kyle Sampson's own words, in the January 9, 2006 e-mail he wrote to Harriet "Fire 'Em All" Miers, in which he says flat-out that Clinton DIDN'T do it:

…once confirmed by the Senate and appointed,U.S. Attorneys serve for four years and then holdover indefinitely (at the pleasure of the President, of course). In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace the U.S. Attorneys they had appointed whose terms had expired, but instead permitted those U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision. (Underscoring in original.)

Why weren't previous Prezzes quick to zap the US Attorneys? Sampson posits these reasons:

There are several likely explanations for this: in some cases Presidents Reagan and Clinton may have been pleased with the work of the U.S. Attorneys, who, after all, they had appointed. In other instances, Presidents Reagan and Clinton may simply have been unwilling to commit the resources necessary to remove the U.S. Attorneys, find suitable replacements (i.e., seek the "advice" of the home-state Senators), complete background investigations, and secure Senate confirmations. (Emphasis added.)

But of course, by the time Sampson wrote his January 9, 2006 e-mail, Senate confirmation was no longer an obstacle. Why?


Really gets me to wondering about how the hell the provision that allows the President to appoint U.S. Attorneys without Senate confirmation got into the Patriot Act. Specter says he didn't know about it, but it was slipped in by his office.

It also makes me wonder what the hell else was slipped into this Patriot Act that nobody fuckin read.


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Better yet, when was the last time we had a president where many within their OWN party considered them corrupt?


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Got any particular choice quotes regarding Democrats suggesting Clinton and his administration was flat out corrupt? Certainly there quite a few Democrats that objected over the lying about his personal life, but suggesting he was corrupt - particularly to the same extent of Bush's current position?

In particular, how many objections regarding any number of different issues in comparison to Republicans and Bush? Not to even mention the gravity of the situations we've gotten ourselves into. You'd have to be fucking blind if you think it's the same.

Saying things like "they're just doing the same thing over again" and "both parties are the same" is just an easy way out of the argument without the need to analyze any differences.


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It won't be an issue after the new executive powers are exercised, martial law declared and elections postponed (indefinitely?).

It would be legal, and "for our own safety".

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I think he meant own party didn't find their president corrupt in some way?

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It won't be an issue after the new executive powers are exercised, martial law declared and elections postponed (indefinitely?).

It would be legal, and "for our own safety".

Impossible? Unlikely? or inevitable?


Impossible currently. We the people are an armed populous. :twisted:

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Yea I put "own" in capital letters but I think our good friend Rokhan may have missed it. Obviously the Republicans thought Clinton was corrupt, duh.


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Yeah, I'm one of them - but my .357 mag, while excellent for personal protection (loaded with glaser safety rounds), falls a little short of being a match for National Guard weaponry. Since they tend to travel in groups, popping one and taking his full-auto weapon would be high risk, and against my personal philosophy. I hate to think of all the whack jobs out there that do have modified semi-auto's, like ATF claimed Koresh had stockpiled. I can see the 2nd American Revolution devolving into a situation similar to Iraq, unless the state guard personnel refused to follow orders because of reluctance to fire on US citizens. Of course, history doesn't support that scenario really.

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From The New York Times:<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/opinion/19mon4.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1174536000&en=47a69d5cd8348721&ei=5087%0A&oref=login">It Wasn’t Just a Bad Idea. It May Have Been Against the Law.</a>

With last night's White House document dump things could get even more interesting. The blogosphere is <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002809.php">currently poring over the information</a> looking for relevant material. Who knows where this things goes as we find out more and more. I don't see how Gonzales lasts past this week. Rumors say the White House already has a short list for his replacement, but it seems highly unlikely this thing goes away even when he does resign.


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Yeah, he pretty much threw down the gauntlet today. Not sure how much is bluff. We should all be aware of the wide disconnect between what the President says and what the President does by now. I find it hard to believe Democratic leadership in Congress would back down from this, especially with the revelations in the document dump that the administration has been less than forthcoming with the truth.


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Listened to NPR on the way home. Chairman asked how much they spend on white out after looking at the emails they got.

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<a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013171.php">Shades of Rose Mary Woods? An 18 day gap?</a>

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I think a commenter in our document dump research thread may have been the first to notice that the emails released by the Justice Department seem to have a gap between November 15th and December 4th of last year.

(Our commenter saw it late on the evening of the dump itself -- see the comment date-stamped March 20, 2007 02:19 AM in the research thread)

The firing calls went out on December 7th. But the original plan was to start placing the calls on November 15th. So those eighteen days are pretty key ones.

Mike Allen spotted it this evening in the Politico.


<a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/">TPM</a> has been as awesome on this as <a href="http://firedoglake.com/">FDL</a> has been on the Plame investigation. Really shaping the direction of this story and how it's being covered.

So uh, what will we find in that 18 day gap?

One other thing about this, how could the White House possibly have thought their offer of a behind close doors, no transcript, no record, no oath interview would be acceptable? With the gaps between what White House officials have been saying, and what their records are showing, why would anyone think they'd get them to tell the truth this way?


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Impossible currently. We the people are an armed populous.


Yeah, I'm one of them - but my .357 mag, while excellent for personal protection (loaded with glaser safety rounds), falls a little short of being a match for National Guard weaponry. Since they tend to travel in groups, popping one and taking his full-auto weapon would be high risk, and against my personal philosophy. I hate to think of all the whack jobs out there that do have modified semi-auto's, like ATF claimed Koresh had stockpiled. I can see the 2nd American Revolution devolving into a situation similar to Iraq, unless the state guard personnel refused to follow orders because of reluctance to fire on US citizens. Of course, history doesn't support that scenario really.

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Great post today from <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/22/lucky-strike/#more-7991">FDL</a>:

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This morning's WaPo gives us one of the many reasons why the panic may have set in a month ago at the highest reaches of the DoJ and Karl's political shop at the Bush White House. Say hello to political interference on behalf of Big Tobacco.

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The leader of the Justice Department team that prosecuted a landmark lawsuit against tobacco companies said yesterday that Bush administration political appointees repeatedly ordered her to take steps that weakened the government's racketeering case.

Sharon Y. Eubanks said Bush loyalists in Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales's office began micromanaging the team's strategy in the final weeks of the 2005 trial, to the detriment of the government's claim that the industry had conspired to lie to U.S. smokers.

She said a supervisor demanded that she and her trial team drop recommendations that tobacco executives be removed from their corporate positions as a possible penalty. He and two others instructed her to tell key witnesses to change their testimony. And they ordered Eubanks to read verbatim a closing argument they had rewritten for her, she said.

"The political people were pushing the buttons and ordering us to say what we said," Eubanks said. "And because of that, we failed to zealously represent the interests of the American public."


Eubanks, who served for 22 years as a lawyer at Justice, said three political appointees were responsible for the last-minute shifts in the government's tobacco case in June 2005: then-Associate Attorney General Robert D. McCallum, then-Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and Keisler's deputy at the time, Dan Meron.

News reports on the strategy changes at the time caused an uproar in Congress and sparked an inquiry by the Justice Department. Government witnesses said they had been asked to change testimony, and one expert withdrew from the case. Government lawyers also announced that they were scaling back a proposed penalty against the industry from $130 billion to $10 billion.


There are so many ways this story can go. Listening to Eubanks on NPR's Day to Day right now.


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<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/22/snow-oversight/">Uh.....lol?</a>

White Press Secretary Tony Snow said, not wrote:
There’s another principle, which is Congress doesn’t have the legislative — I mean oversight authority over the White House. [CNN, 3/22/07]

First, the White House is under no compulsion to do anything. The legislative branch doesn’t have oversight. [MSNBC, 3/22/07]

Congress doesn’t have any legitimate oversight and responsibilities to the White House. [Fox, 3/22/07]


What was all that checks and balances mumbo jumbo again?


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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6504345,00.html">Documents Show Gonzales Approved Firings</a>

Found in the emails released tonight filling some of the <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013171.php">18 day gap.</a> The White House has got to be panicking right now. The sad thing is, they've been lying like this the entire time. They've just never been held to account.


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I'm just eating this story up, so I'll continue even though I'm about the only one posting still. In my mind there's no way Congress can back down from this. They can't and retain any sort of respect from the American people. The White House is directly challenging Congress' role as a check on the executive branch, and they're lying, and stalling. They were <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002854.php">shutting down investigations</a> into themselves and other Republicans, while <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002862.php">directing focus on investigations</a> into Democrats. Now I'm down for going after corrupt Democrats, but just as I'm against racial profiling, I'm against party profiling. It perverts the system and promotes distrust.

There's another great post from <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013234.php">TPM</a> on this scandal that speaks a bit to a question I mentioned earlier. How the hell did Specter's office insert that provision into the Patriot Act without Specter himself knowing about it? Are we really supposed to believe that? Specter knew damn well that provision was being put in, and <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07082/771858-84.stm">he just wants this to go away</a>. The White House couldn't have even done this without Specter, which is why he desperately wants to give the White House what they want.

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Keep posting, Surcam; it's great! The deafening silence from our more conservative posters (who at one time defended this administration as the coming of the messiah) says about as much about the situation as your posts.


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Part of me wishes he was up for re-election somehow in 2008. The fact that we voted this administration in a second time is what is unfortunate because we can't undo it. I think it's going to take a while for the world to get over that fact in general. We can't vote him down unless we impeach, which won't happen. We voted him in, he did incredibly stupid shit while thumbing his nose at the world while throwing us into a war his father and many others could have said was a bad idea(from a strategic standpoint alone, let alone a moral standpoint), and we said "we want more of this". That's what is going to take a long time to live down.


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Keep posting, Surcam; it's great! The deafening silence from our more conservative posters (who at one time defended this administration as the coming of the messiah) says about as much about the situation as your posts.


I am not posting because I don't know exactly what is going on with this yet.

It smells, but I don't know exactly why. It could be abuse of power, it could be an usurping of the law, it could be a bunch of people made really stupid decisions at the absolute wrong time.

If there was a cover up to anything, I mean anything, then the current White House is no better than anything the previous administrations tried to get away with. I was on them hard for lying under oath and obstruction. This could possibly be the same thing.

Regardless of the outcome, more people will vote for the Democrats this coming election. That is what really discourages me. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.

It is time; actually it is well over due, for a new American Revolution, not one with violence, terror, or any use of force -- other than the ballot box. We have our own way to change this. We MUST do so now. I hope all the "third parties" to put their best and brightest on the podium now. Put your poster-child for everything that you believe in out there.

It is time to wake America up. If we have learned anything from 1992 to 2007 it is the Republicans AND Democrats CAN NOT and WILL NOT fix what needs to be fixed.

People say they are "throwing their vote away" or "it really doesn't matter" and vote "for the lesser of two evils". We then complain that the leaders are too stupid or corrupt to do what is right. No longer! We can't do it anymore. We need independent thinkers in DC. We don't need people that are bought and paid for by special interests from the right and the left. We need to elect people that have the American People as their special interest.

I am probably just wishing a foolish dream. But I am tired of all the bullshit that I hear on a daily basis from BOTH sides of the isle in DC.


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Just as removing a cancer involves removing (or incapacitating) the malignant cells, you cannot simply vote some good people into office and hope for the best. They'll either accomplish little to nothing, or become corrupt themselves.

All the incumbents must be removed, by vote or by force, if necessary, and replaced with people who can be trusted. By whom, I'll leave that to you guys.


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Talk about naive. You really think getting outsiders in is going to accomplish anything? "Replaced with all the people who can be trusted." LOL


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<a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/27/the-right-to-remain-silent-or-not/#more-8077">FDL: The Right To Remain Silent…Or Not</a>

The DOJ liason to the White House Monica Goodling is pleading the 5th amendment, trying to avoid testifying before Congress. The above blog post at FDL gives a nice run down.

DOJ Chief of Staff Kyle Sampson's testimony before Congress this Thursday should be pretty interesting. Can't wait to see what he says. Hopefully it's a whole lot of covering his own ass.


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More on the question of how that provision got entered in the Patriot Act over at FDL: <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/28/why-isnt-brett-tolman-in-prison-yet/">Why Isn’t Brett Tolman In Prison Yet?</a>

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One night, before passage of the bill, <a href="http://desspec.blogspot.com/2007/03/utah-us-attorney-brett-tolman-escapes.html">Tolman surreptitiously inserted a paragraph</a> into the legislation that basically removed Senate oversight and approval of replacements for U.S. Attorneys. Tolman didn't ask Specter and didn't tell Specter or, as far as we know, any other senators. He just snuck it into the bill and none of them knew they were voting for that provision. Is that embarrassing, or what? I think so. And I think it plays a role in why the senators have been pretty mum on this episode. And what made it worse is that the Senate unanimously approved Bush's nomination of Tolman, soon after… as U.S. Attorney for Utah!

When Specter finally did discover he had been duped by Tolman and tried to get to the bottom of it, all he was told was that Tolman had acted on behalf of the Justice Department! No names. The question remains, did Rove tell Tolman to do it directly or did he use Gonzales as his messenger boy?


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<a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002998.php">Rove possibly deleted all of his emails prior to 2005</a>

Rep. Henry Waxman wrote a letter to AG Gonzales. In it he drops some highly troublesome info about Rove.
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According to Mr. Kelner, the RNC had a policy, which the RNC called a "document retention" policy, that purged all e-mails from RNC e-mail accounts and the RNC server that were more than 30 days old. Mr. Kelner said that as a result of unspecified legal inquiries, a "hold" was placed on this e-mail destruction policy for the accounts of White House officials in August 2004. Mr. Kelner was uncertain whether the hold was consistently maintained from August 2004 to the present, but he asserted that for this period, the RNC does have alarge volume of White House e-mails. According to Mr. Kelner, the hold would not have prevented individual White House officials from deleting their e-mail from the RNC server after August 2004.

Mr. Kelner's briefing raised particular concems about Karl Rove, who according to press reports used his RNC accountfor 95%o of his communications. According to Mr. Kelner, although the hold started in August 2004, the RNC does not have any e-mails prior to 2005 for Mr. Rove. Mr. Kelner did not give any explanation for the e-mails missing from Mr. Rove's account, but he did acknowledge that one possible explanation is that Mr. Rove personally deleted his e-mails from the RNC server.

Mr. Kelner also explained that starting in 2005, the RNC began to treat Mr. Rove's emails in a special fashion. At some point in 2005, the RNC commenced an automatic archive policy for Mr. Rove, but not for any other White House officials. According to Mr. Kelner, this archive policy removed Mr. Rove's ability to personally delete his e-mails from the RNC server. Mr. Kelner did not provide many details about why this special policy was adopted for Mr. Rove. But he did indicate that one factor was the presence of investigative or discovery requests or other legal concerns. It was unclear from Mr. Kelner's briefing whether the special archiving policy for Mr. Rove was consistently in effect after 2005. [my emphasis]


RNC lawyers changed their email retention policy because they couldn't comply with Fitzgerald's Plame investigation because Rove was deleting his emails. Will Fitzgerald fire the Plame trial up again with an obstruction of justice charge?


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Perhaps this is why <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/12/video-leahy-says-white-house-is-lying-about-lost-emails/">Leahy was so bold</a> in saying the White House was lying about the emails.

Can't wait to find out what else Rep. Waxman has up his sleeve. Rumor has it Goodling is working out an immunity deal. Next week should be interesting.


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<a href="http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3">AG Gonzales testifies before Congress right now</a>


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i have no idea whats going on. I kind of get whats going but I don't understand the overall significance. Can someone dumb/summarize it for me?


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Once appointed, US Attorneys are traditionally considered non-political positions. Law enforcement is supposed to be non-partisan. The firings were first explained as "performance" based, which would mean they weren't doing their jobs properly. Evidence indicates the firings were actually politically motivated. AG Gonzales first claimed he wasn't involved in the process, evidence now shows that isn't true. His testimony to Congress consists basically of "I don't recall." and "There was nothing improper.", despite his repeated claims of not recalling exactly what was going on or when. Like so many other administration actions, this seems like nothing more than a delaying tactic.

Turning the Justice Department into a political enforcement branch of the executive office could be considered a major step in transforming a democratic republic into a fascist state. Considering other recent events affecting the Constitutional foundation of our government, this is alarming. A politicized Justice Department sets the stage for an ongoing witch-hunt of political opponents of this administration - regardless of party affiliation.

Language contained in the recent "Military Appropriations Bill" and the "John Warner Bill" set the stage for a military junta by the federal government, granting the executive branch unprecedented powers over individual citizens and state governments. Transforming the law enforcement branch of the federal government into "legal muscle" would allow this administration to "legally" target any opposition.

I find it incredible this administration would simply turn over the reins of the executive branch with the authority granted by that legislation intact. It seems much more likely those powers were legislated for a specific reason, and intended to perpetuate the current state of affairs.

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Evidence, actually it is mere speculation at this time as no evidence of political motivation has been presented as far as I know.


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[Evidence, actually it is mere speculation at this time as no evidence of political motivation has been presented as far as I know.


Hard to find evidence when no one remembers shit and millions of emails are "missing".


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[Evidence, actually it is mere speculation at this time as no evidence of political motivation has been presented as far as I know.


Hard to find evidence when no one remembers shit and millions of emails are "missing".


So therefore it is speculation until either someone remembers something or these millions of missing e-mails show up.


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What other reason is there to fire them? I'm especially interested in your answer concerning the ones that had stellar performance reviews right up to the time they were let go.


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Guilty until proven innocent?? Interesting!


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What other reason is there to fire them? I'm especially interested in your answer concerning the ones that had stellar performance reviews right up to the time they were let go.


Technically, no reason is necessary as they serve at the will of the President. Ergo at this point there is no evidence of political motivation only the speculation that this was the real reason for the firings. Of course there are so many Bush haters that anything that even looks out of place will draw attention from some of the zealots in Congress today.


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That man's hands are dirtier than a shit shoveller's. Politics is dirty at the best of times, but this guy has demonstrated a desire to go above and beyond the definition of crooked and scheming.

I suspect the sheer number of wrongs done means that if you can think it up, they probably did it. At this point, if there's any evidence at all to support something wrong done by the Bush administration, they're guilty as hell.


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Technically, no reason is necessary as they serve at the will of the President. Ergo at this point there is no evidence of political motivation only the speculation that this was the real reason for the firings. Of course there are so many Bush haters that anything that even looks out of place will draw attention from some of the zealots in Congress today.


You didn't answer the question. There's always a reason. No one gets up and says, "I'm going to fire random workers for fun."

So again I ask-- what other reasonable reason could there be for firing them?


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