We aren't hearing much about it because the diabolical Rove doesn't want us too. /shrug <i></i>

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Quote:See the thing is.... I thought the Clinton fiasco was ridiculous. But, it was a personal news item. This is not. There is nothing to ask Rove's previous girlfriends and this is difficult to sensationalize without actual news.<
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The reason the Delay issue is losing steam is because Pelosi and a few others did exactly the same thing as him and it is now coming out. DOH! <i></i>

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Do you honestly believe we'll ever have all the facts? - joxur<i></i>

I didn't say all the facts. No, of course we won't have them all, but we don't have any at all about any specific conversations inside the administration, except a few memos which cannot be traced directly to Bush. That makes calling Bush out premature at best, which makes any future accusations have a bit less impact, since the right wing can just roll their eyes and say, "C'mon guys, we went over this last month". ---------------------------------<
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Quote:Anyone else have updated info on this? It just disappeared from the news. No more daily tallies of how long she's been in jail. What's going on!?!<
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Sweet fucking christ. Give it a rest.<
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That was meant for the "wag the dog comment", not yours. I'd like to know what's going on too. I do hope that was sarcasm. <
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No Ark, I think the Bush administration cooked up the hurricane in the secret Halliburton labs. Or it was all CGI. OF COURSE it was sarcastic.<
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Miller is still in jail? Wow, now that is a crime. <i></i>

According to here Judy Miller has been released from jail. Archimonde<
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Fox News is now reporting it now. Archimonde<
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Her source was not Karl Rove, but Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby. <i></i>

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Quote:But Libby’s lawyer said Friday he and his client had released Miller long ago to testify, and was surprised when Miller’s lawyers again asked for a release in the last few weeks.<
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Quote:I don't really don't get this part. If they signed a waiver a year ago, why did she stay in jail? Why did she refuse to testify?<
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Good, then we can all silently hope something happens to Bush that way we can get both our first Black President as well as our first Female President at the same time and be done with it. Win/Win. <i></i>

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