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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:46 PM 
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People are still not getting what is really important here, and that is:<
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2. To protect the case for war, they smeared a dissenter's wife and put her in harm's way. To me, this is doubly bad given that Plame, in working undercover, undertook a fair amount of personal risk and was essentially betrayed by her country.<
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3. In promising to investigate the leak, the Bush administration assured us that anyone involved would be gone. Not only was that not done with Libby (he was allowed to resign), Karl Rove is still on the team and was involved, whether he committed a crime or not. - joxur<i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:55 PM 
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Quote: People are still not getting what is really important here, and that is:<
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The free press are America's eye's and ears, if we cannot rely on them to print the facts objectively, we are made blind, deaf and dumb.<
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There is also such a thing as due process.<
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:34 PM 
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Thanks for these posts, Surcam. I know there isn't a ton of feedback to them, but they are being read. <i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:45 AM 
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Quote:The free press are America's eye's and ears, if we cannot rely on them to print the facts objectively, we are made blind, deaf and dumb.<
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News skewed through government sources to be reported by the press is called propaganda, and I remember a time when it was frowned upon. And without it, the dubya administration would not be able to get away with half the shit they did.I really think that the media is intimidated by all of the talk about how they are liberal and biased. Unfortunately, it really kinda is. But it's not biased because of a grand conspiracy to nominate one party over another, it is biased by the fact that all publishers have to be accountable for a bottom line, whether it's advertising or selling subscriptions. And publishers will write about what sells.<
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This is why we see shit on the top of CNN.com regarding what Joey Buttofuoco is up to instead of anything really meaningful and deep that is of real importance to the country.<
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:13 AM 
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Quote:Go talk to some average Joe in a department store and you will be surprised at how little he knows about current events.<
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I won't be at all surprised, because I encounter it all the time. I try and talk about these things all the time because I'm also looking for different perspectives, new insight, and an opportunity to argue/learn.<
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:21 AM 
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Woodward apologizes to post for silence.<
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The plot thickens. Woodward reveals that he learned about Plame prior to Libby telling reporters. Some are saying that Woodward was Libby's source which means he's telling the truth when he says he learned the info from a reporter. However, Fitzgerald's indictment states Libby got the info from Cheney. Hmmmm<
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A lawyer for Karl Rove, the deputy White House chief of staff who has acknowledged conversations with reporters about the case and remains under investigation, said Mr. Rove was not Mr. Woodward's source.<
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:25 AM 
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Prolonging this inquiry only works in the republican's favor. It takes it off the front page and moves it to Op/Ed columns on the topic, taking it out of the lime light enough to eventually be swept under the carpet as the Republican's attack democrats on their pre-war stance to obfuscate the real question of 'Did you fuck around with Pre-War intelligence figures or not, Mr. Bush"<
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:07 PM 
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Could get interesting again. Fitzgerald is apparently presenting evidence in front of a grand jury tomorrow. There's much speculation about why it took Rove so long to come clean about being Cooper's source with the grand jury after being tipped off by Viveca Novak that the Times was buzzing about him being the source. He didn't reveal that he was Cooper's source to the grand jury until 5 months after his conversation with Novak. It is now very hard to believe Rove simply forgot that he was Cooper's source.<
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:19 PM 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:39 PM 
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Yea I wonder who else could have authorized it... HRMMM "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."<
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:44 PM 
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Rove's Time in Limbo Near End in CIA Leak Case<
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:19 PM 
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Nah, he looks innocent to me.<
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:22 PM 
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Heh, wrong pic, but for the first time I'm happy there's no edit here since I LOVE that pic, even out-of-context. <i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:38 PM 
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:28 PM 
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:19 PM 
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I don't think it's supposed to be from this weekend if as the guy is claiming he's supposed to get his affairs in order. <i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 11:20 PM 
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:46 AM 
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Fitzgerald does not anticipate indicting Karl Rove.<
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:13 AM 
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Plame sues Rove, Cheney, Libby...accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career.<
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:51 AM 

Man, from everything I've read I think Cheney was the primary source. But that's pure speculation. I really don't think she has much of a case against Rove based on what his lawyer and Novak has said. <i></i>


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Armitage is the source. Witch hunt over. <i></i>

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Well so many people had so much to say about it. Plus I put it in the wrong place. Surcam said this thread would never die.<
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Quote:But officials at the White House also told reporters about Wilson's wife in an effort to discredit Wilson for his public attacks on Bush's handling of Iraq intelligence. Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper. <
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If you have interest in this story I recommend the <a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/?id=135">latest diavlog</a> from BloggingheadsTV between co-author of the new book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307346811/sr=8-1/qid=1156557686/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8">Hubris</a>, David Corn, and National Review writer Byron York.

They both do a little too much talking over each other for my tastes but man did Mr. York come off as a complete ass to me.

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Scooter Libby trial starts today. Should be pretty interesting when VP Cheney comes to testify.


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And Libby's defence drops the bomb back on Rove. Looks like they need to pick more obediant lapdogs.


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I can concede obediant obediently but in my defense i believe defence is an acceptable spelling even if it is chiefly British.


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Pretty interesting day today in the Libby trial. Cheney's press secretary Cathie Martin had some pretty damning testimony for Libby's memory defense.

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070125/cm_thenation/3160544">The Libby Trial: Cheney's Office Takes the Stand</a>

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Martin described a conversation she had with William Harlow, the CIA public affairs chief, and though she had no direct recollection of when this phone call happened, she noted it likely occurred around June 11, 2003. At that time, Walter Pincus of The Washington Post was asking Vice President Cheney's office whether it had been involved in former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's trip to Niger (which had been cited in a May 6 New York Times column by Nicholas Kristof that did not name Wilson). Martin testified that as the result of a call between Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, and a CIA official (probably Robert Grenier, an earlier witness in the trial), she had been put in contact with Harlow.

During her conversation with Harlow, Martin testified, she asked him what the CIA knew about the trip to Niger taken by the then-unnamed ambassador. Harlow told her the former diplomat was Joseph Wilson and revealed that his wife worked at the CIA. Later that same day, in the vice president's office, she shared with Cheney and Libby what Harlow had told her, including the information that Wilson's wife was employed at the CIA. How did Cheney or Libby respond to this? Fitzgerald asked Martin. "I don't remember any other specific response," she answered.

The significance of this? Fitzgerald had shown once again that Libby was making efforts to gather information on the Wilson trip when little was publicly known about it. As a result of this effort, he was told by Martin that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. Ted Wells, a Libby lawyer, tried to depict Martin's report to Cheney and Libby as nothing but an easy-to-forget ten-second snippet. But Martin also testified that Libby was intensely engaged in a campaign to rebut Joseph Wilson's charge that the Bush administration had rigged the case for war by misrepresenting the prewar intelligence--and that Libby had even requested to see transcripts of cable news shows covering the controversy (particularly Chris Matthews' Hardball program). Consequently, a juror could well conclude that information regarding Valerie Wilson's CIA employment was important to Libby and registered with him.


It seems obvious to me that the VP's office was actively working to discredit Joe Wilson because he was catching them in one of their many lies as they rushed us to war. With all the time Libby spent on it, it's hard to believe he forgot where he got the scoop on Mrs. Wilson. I don't know that this whole thing will produce anything more than a perjury and obstruction of justice conviction for Libby, but I do know that it's going to give us alot of information about something I am interested in. How did those 14 words get into the State of the Union when it had already been discredited, and how did the VP's Office operate as it ruthlessly lied us into war, and crushed anyone who called them on it.


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As this thread gets close to two years old, I'd like to quote our sadly MIA friend.

Arkayn420 05 Jul 2005 6:09 AM wrote:
Is there any reason why this is so important that none of the major news networks even mention it on their websites? MSNBC/FoxNews/CNN etc.


Arkayn420 05 Jul 2005 6:16 AM wrote:
And don't start digging through Page 5's of their websites. You people talk about treason, and hanging etc and this shit isn't even front page news?!


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I will forever find reasons to bump this thread. Cheney's FBI interview to be released to public.


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Cheney didn't remember. Shocking!

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Cheney told FBI agents that he did not recall discussing Wilson's wife with Libby before her CIA employment was publicly revealed by conservative columnist Robert Novak on July 14, 2003. Libby's own notes produced at his trial reflect that Cheney told him about the CIA employment of Wilson's wife in mid-June 2003, a month before Plame's CIA job became public knowledge.


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Valerie Plame update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICW-dGD1M18&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3vcUy0ndyb7MPgRXDY5FjyyB-yUyedNkgq2EF4x_3qQheHmuOwmZS9Rqk


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