Long story short (well long)....me and my brother transferred servers to apply in the top horde guild on that server prior to release and had some good success so far but my brother finally had enough with the leadership tonight after they wouldn't bring in a "friends and family" member that had transferred over with us who should have been a "raider" but due to some stupid rules wasn't. We were on Thad and running 3 people short and kept having 2 idiots die so we were hitting enrage timer. They refused to bring in the guy as it was against their policy to have non raiding classified guildmates join the raid and lil bro had a "falling out" with them and left.

Puts me in a tough position because obviously I came back to WoW for two things 1) play with my brother 2) Raiding experience.

My brother wants to/did start a new guild and is planning to do 10 man Naxx tomorrow night and wants me to leave the old guild and help run the new guild. I'm hesitant primarily because of the piss poor talent pool on the server (and wow in general). I won't lie I miss being a GL but not sure if I am willing to risk losing a spot in the top guild on the server unless I know I have something to work with. (PVE server)

My brother has some of the best core knowledge of the game I have ever seen and is a hell of a good player both mechanically and reactively. I obviously am still catching up on some of the tactical aspects of the game but I do bring a pretty solid background in both guild management, strategy & structuring (DKP, guild & raid rules etc). I lead a lot of multi department/company teams in real life in pretty large scale endovers and am pretty confident in my ability to keep people working together and manage the pre-madona's. This combined with my brothers game knowledge I think we might actually have a chance at throwing together a solid contender guild if we can get the proper people in place. The server is a weak one (was new in TBC)

That being said.....if there is anyone that is looking for a raiding oppurtunity and is serious about it shoot me a PM so I can see if this is worthwhile exploring. I've gamed with a lot of different people in different MMO's from these boards and know there are some good solid people so figured I would at least put the feelers out.

I will say this, if your interested I am looking for people that have the time to dedicate to a full time raid guild. This would in no means would be a family & friends guild, if you can't carry your own weight you would be removed whether we went back 10 years or not. I'm still thinking it over but if I do this the core group will decide on what time/days we raid however there will be attendance requirements & a dkp system etc so its not just a place for people to come get free loots. Note this isn't a "lanys reunion" guild, just stopping by here to see if I can find any willing candidates!

The one thing we have going is even though my brother is a DK he already has cleared 10 man naxx a few times and we also cleared all of 25 naxx except Thad/saph/Kel in the last 2 days and are pretty well geared to help carry the raid abit while we catch people up.

Again, I won't be doing this unless I am confident I have a good core group between the people we have met on the server (I think a few guildies will be leaving to join us if we do this) and old friends. If we do I definitely would entertain a few peoples offers to help be more involved with the guild then just members (omg join my guild and be an officer!$!$!$ .....no) if the person actually knows what the hell they are doing. If you can't do 4-5 hrs a night 3-4 days a week min. probably not a good fit (while we are progressing anyway, will do 4 days a week at an agreed upon time until all content is on farm).

Its like the first Asian girl I ever "cuddled" with.....I'm scared yet strangely aroused by these most recent developments and I know no matter what happens I will probably be regretting it in the morning.

(PS: even though we've proven my bro's DK can MT almost every fight in Naxx without a wipe we still rather go with a non DK MT so if anyone has good gear and some good experience behind them I'd be willing to cover your transfer if we do this) Naxx doesn't have near the dps checks so I am more worried about filling in a healing core with a few high attendence studs that will help carry us while we get our dps geared for the next content release. First PW will make us cry though if healers aren't geared. We 2 shotted it yesterday but it was a pretty demanding fight on healers.

If you find yourself saying "god, WoW is a great game but it would be nice to raid with non retarded emo's that don't think hardcore is just a subtype of porn.......we might be right for YOU! (WTB marketing consultant)

Turbo

I'll tell you right now, no server but a PVP server is going to have what you're looking for. Givin and I have looked high and low on so many servers and we end up tagging 20 and keeping 2, over and over again, due to the fact that they just do not make gamers like us anymore.

Good Luck though Turbo, I hope it works for you, and no I won't MT for you. =)

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It's a sad realization but it's true. What happened to gamers? Are these kids raised different or is it just the gaming environment they've grown up in. Regardless, it's really hard to find what you're looking for. Everyone just come to WAR and we'll just destroy everyone and laugh at their lifeless bodies.

Even in WAR while playing scenarios, I can't believe how gaming ignorant people have become. There is no sense of strategy in people or gaming sense. This might be off topic but, I just don't understand gamers today. I enjoy having a life and not playing hours and hours at a time but sheesh, I would like to at least make my online time count.

Good luck Turbo. It's a large pond with a lot of goofy fish. It's very hard to find people like us and who even know what raiding is about. One thing that I have found as well is the latest generation of gamers do not listen! Sorry, you caught me on a rant but, it would be nice if we could get some good players together on 1 server on 1 game. These people for the most part, drive me crazy sometimes.

Everyone's starting to sound like old men around here.

I guess we are comparatively... I'm 27 now, wife, and child. I'd say most gamers in WoW (at least the vocal ones) are anywhere from 13-16. You may get luck and run into some older people and even the people who are closer to our age are just experiencing MMO's for the first time.

We are aged in the sense of experience and we've seen everything under the sun. Most people are just figuring it out and the environment is different. When we played EQ it was about fansites, communication with other guilds/servers, etc. etc. None of that exists now and all the hardships and consequences are gone.

This is a decent reflection of how people from the older generation view the newer generations today. I think the only thing we have to watch for is begining our sentences with "Back in my day..."

I think we should start a thread to see how many MMO true "Back in my day..." statments.

I see someone getting frustrated with dying... "Back in my day you lost experience when you died. Heck I lost level 49 one hundred times before finally getting to 50." (Slightly exaggerated of course)

What's up with all the damned horde people. Argh!

God we are old men

Just hit 27 myself, I work 50-60 hrs a week salary, single at the moment and basically spend 2 nights a week out doing fun stuff or searching for an X wife at the club and the other 5 nights enjoying some good ole gaming. So I have the time to dedicate to make this work and still keep balance

Let me ask this from some of you already in/clearing 25 man naxx, what is typically your ideal healing group?

You need to develop a culture that caters to working professionals otherwise you won't have much luck. Too many people in WoW have no stability and are fucking losers in real life who play 30+ hours a week.

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While I would agree to some extent to the first part you need to cut out that stupid bullshit RL loser crap man.

I play 30 hrs a week easy if not more.....want to compare RL stats? (please disregard below if you aren't the dumb shit that calls anyone who games seriously RL losers. Was home puking most the morning so had the desire to make this post one last fucking time to X before I just stop reading his posts all together)

(assumptions below feel free to disprove)
- Education Me >= You (B.S civil engineering, M.S. civil/struc engineer, Green Belt Six Sigma Certified, Project Management Certified, MBA shortly)

- Job (all things included, salary, responsibility level, high level exposure, world exposure, supervision roles over high level experts, etc) Me >= You (not attacking your job sounds like you have a good stable one good for you, but there is always people that have better....I so envy the guys the personal massage therapist of Jessica Simpson)

- RL Activities Me at least = You (I play poker, lift and work out regularly, try to do something unique to Phx area at least once a month, definitely spend my times out in both small pubs and the clubs up in Scottsdale, have pool parties & barbecues w/ 20-30 people, host major UFC fights, etc and have a core group of 4-5 guys that are "true" friends that I spend a lot of time when our jobs permit. Plenty of balance I assure

- Stability: Me > You I came from a family with nothing, working since I was 12 and been given absolutely nothing since I was a kid. Put myself through B.S/M.S, never borrowed money from anyone, and now have very nice brand new house (only down 3k in phx market woot), have earned the appreciation of my director/VP's so my job is pretty well intact, and get a pretty large number of job offers since there is very limited people with my particular skill skets. And best of all have had enough high level exposure to some of the larger companies around the world I have job opportunities avaiable a phone call away so needless to say I'm pretty stable at the moment.

You have a family and thats great, while that is my number one goal right now is to find some one since I've grown out of the crazy party days, what can I say, im pretty picky and haven't found the right one (was close but broke up with the last one after I let her move into my house). Think of how much time you spend with your family a week....now think of a person who doesn't have a family nor any relatives within 1500 miles. I'm sure your smart enough to do the math and realize a person can EASILY FUCKING PLAY GAMES for 30 hours a week and still maintain a balanced life and not be a RL loser. Finding the right person to spend the rest of your life with is as much luck as anything and I am not going to focus ONLY on that, I've been dating off and on the last year but keep running into awesome girls that fucking smoke....(I won't date a girl seriouslly that smokes due to the fact it is extremely selfish in the long run due to the hardships it can put your family through. My grandma's smoking costs my parents 4 hrs a day, 363 days a year for the last 10 years......I don't want to put my eventual kids through something like that).

Me personally gaming is one of my only hobbies that I actually ENJOY, I've been exposed to a large varity of things in my life and most do not make me happy like gaming does thus I use the majority of my free "hobby" time etc to do what I enjoy without any signigant draw backs. Also for me I have a fused back from college football so I my choice of activites are limited anyway. I still play ball & work out at a very competive level but I pay the price every day with hardly being able to move the next 24 hours.

You've went on about this stupid sterotypical, greater the thou bullshit for awhile now and this is the last time I am wasting my breath on a post responding but for all that is fucking holy STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE PLAYING GAMES IS FOR LOSERS ONLY. There are plenty of nerdie little bastards who have no stability, no friends, etc and they turn to gaming for what little joy they can find in life.....sad but hey good for them to find a way to be happy to some extent in a culture that is extremely critical. But realize there is a whole new breed of gamers out there that don't fit that mold so quit with the stupid fucking "play 30 hrs a week omgz loser bullshit", some of us play games just like we approach "RL", we are dedicated, hard working and don't fucking like to be "average" in ANYTHING we do....if you can handle being average then all the fucking power to you. Different folks, different strokes.......learn some appreciatation for diversity before some "loser gamer" ever gets a hold of you and beats the shit out of you just so they can post pics of your ass getting stomped by a omg loser.

Enjoy being another little bitch arm chair warrior

Majority of people who play 30 hours a week are losers IRL. You're an exception to the rule, apparently.

Let's see the research, doucheboy.

I have none to show, but stereotypes exist for a reason. Anecdotal evidence is good enough for me, too.

I lolled. Good to see your posts are still full of hilarity. Best of luck getting the new guild off the ground.

Not to take sides or anything, Turbo, but that was truly one of the saddest posts I've ever seen. =(

"My life is better than yours" posts are usually a bad idea. I can understand the motive, but the delivery failed.

Luckily I stopped losing sleep about a year ago worrying about what you think Neesha! Lets leave it at plenty of people can still play 30 hrs a week and be normal, cool? great!


Back on topic, I finally left the guild I was in as they did not want me to "pug" naxx with anyone even though the guild wasn't running 10 mans. We proceeded to grab 6 people from trade and cleared 2 full wings plus PW in one night so I was pretty happy (PW went down right when enrage went off, got him on 2nd attempt after making some adjustments from the first attempt getting to 10%).

With that progress got a lot of interest stirring in the server sadly (shitty server sadly) so hopefully can get a few non retarded people in. After looking at possible applicants still need a real solid resto druid (that can understand where to drop the poison clouds on grob after 6 fucking attempts) and a good MT (we did everything with 2 DK's sadly and had no issue but 25 man and future content probably will dictate a non DK tank)

Uncle Sam wants you!

I never said they couldn't play 30 hours a week and be normal. Plenty of people can. I know plenty of married folks with kids who play while their kids watch, because the kids enjoy seeing all of the big bosses and the pretty colors. It's a form of entertainment just like watching TV or playing Checkers. So if they do this for 2 hours a night, 5 nights a week, there's 10 hours right there. Then they just need 20 hours over the weekend to get that 30 hours in. That's hardly over-doing it and it is hardly unhealthy.

And just remember you are arguing with someone who admits to downloading and playing games every week. Someone with a PSP, a Wii, a Nintendo DS, an Xbox 360, and a computer. Therefore, just because he doesn't play one game for 30+ hours a week doesn't mean he isn't gaming 30+ hours a week just like all of the WoWaholics.

Man, I for one can't balance MMOs and a normal life. How do you folks do it? Do you, like, set time limits for yourselves? Have an electroshock unit in your puter chair that zaps you if you play for more than three hours at a stretch? Or do you just sleep like 4 hours a night and hence have time for everything? Share your sekrets.

I'd really like to be able to play WoW casually, but historically it's been all-or-nothing for me. I've got too much shit going on to afford 'all,' so it's been 'nothing' for the last couple years.

heh, I set myself days that I just don't login. Those are friend/family days.

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I don't play on Friday or Saturday (unless the rest of the family is out of town) and I am lucky that I have a guild that raids Sunday through Thursday and I can take one night off a week and not suffer any repercussions.

I don't watch TV for one which really frees up alot of time and I have had this horrible habit of going to bed around 1-2am and getting up around 5 for the last 10 years of my life so that creates more hours in the day to balance (yes i know its unhealthy and I am going to die early because of it but its not going to change anytime soon so I'll deal with the fact I am hurting myself!)

Slight side note.....dear god please, give me ONE good healer transfer. All you have to do is hit 3-4 buttons and nudge up when a blizzard hits you!

I got the guild formed today, we helped pug a 25 man arch and played with sapphiron 10 man but my pali never logged on so I had to bring in some idiot who died in the first 15 seconds for 5 pulls in a row.....as long as my healer logs in tomorrow sapp & kel should die tomorrow. I am hoping for a full guild clear of all 10 man content outside of malygos this week, in talks with number groups of peeps trying to get 25 man crew going asap.

Anywhose....come on, I know there is a good healer or 2 out there that was some purple shinnies! I'll cover transfer for any quality healer......ps: SOLA GOD DAMNIT, my 2 tanks for 10 man have been DK's and we have absolutely raped the place with the them but I keep warning them that you are going to take there spot

I don't know about starting a brand new guild nowadays. There are so many, at least on the shitholes that I have played on in the last six months that are constantly recruiting. Trade chat and forums clogged with the crap.

Most nowadays have piss poor leadership to boot. I helped take an alliance guild from pre kara to a BT farming war machine and dropped it in an instant when I caught our loot council guy "accidentally missing tells" because he had a thing against ret paladins. Refused to even give rotting gear up.

Oryx made a recruitment post and offered to take in a small guild that wanted to raid back in TBC, gear them in T5, teach them the ropes and offer them guaranteed raid spots in BT/Hyjal/Sunwell only to be made fun of for being elitist pricks.

The people you want do not exist anymore. Or at least are so far scattered to the wind it would take a miracle to find enough of them under one roof to make a difference. A lot of great players will stay in lower to mid tier guilds out of loyalty while kicking themselves every day because they know they can be top shelf. Or they will always be that one great player who can be awesome at any class or role that they are called on to do, but they are friends with that one annoying worthless dead weight piece of shit player that they insist on dragging around with them.

It does sound like you got a pretty good start on people tho. Hope you find the rest to flesh it out. One of the biggest problems that I have noticed is that a lot of people, even the best healers you could find in TBC have to start from scratch and pick up the "Situational Awareness" talent.

Isn't this the SECOND time your brother got you both separated from a guild? It happened in Vanguard too.

30 hrs a week is a lot. I'm only playing 15-20.
WoW doesn't have the same time demands of MMO's of yore.
Also all the gen-Y instant gratification kids, everyone gets a trophy and wins are not the future captains of industry.

Well actually I went on vacation if I recall and came back and he had gotten into it with a group of my hardcore members that were most of the high levels on the server at the time and they left because if it. Ironically it was a good thing because 99% of the players that were hardcore during the first 6 months left the game and didnt come back so I would of lost them anyway heh, plus I came back and got with one of the top guilds in the game so it worked out.

I backed him on this last guild because he was 100% correct, I just typically leave with less commotion without burning bridges typically

Got my website up initially, and found a guy to run my dkp system (going to use an add-on system that seems to be about the fairest and easiest to manage system I've heard about. It sounds confusing at first but once people understand I think it will make all our lives a lot easier and remove 99% of loot drama. Back to the healer search Now the website is up I need to put some finishing touches on it and then I'll start cross server searchs...