All in all, very good changes, bit disapointed that mana tide wasn't made a core ability but it's one less totem I have to drop all the time. Very disapointed that chain heal wasn't improved, if anything I figured that had to be #1 on the list of things to improve.<
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# Grace of Air Totem - Duration of ranks 1 and 2 increased.<
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# Nature Resistance Totem - Duration increased.<
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# Poison Cleansing Totem - Duration increased.<
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Starting with the first tier, you'll immediately notice that Convection has replaced Improved Lightning Bolt. Only now the passive effect of Convection will reduce the mana cost of Shock, Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning spells by 10%. Similarly, you'll notice that the Concussion will now improve damage done by Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning by 5%, in addition to Shock spells.<
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Moving along to the second tier, you'll notice Earth's Grasp, a talent that increases the health of the Stoneclaw Totem by 50% and the radius of the Earthbind Totem by 20%, for a mere two points. This is a significant improvement over the current Improved Stoneclaw Totem talent.<
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Call of Flame will now increase damage done by Fire Totems by 15% for 3 points, rather than 10% for 5 points.<
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The final tier 2 talent available is completely new -- Elemental Warding. For three points this talent will reduce damage taken from Fire, Frost and Nature effects by 10%.<
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Storm Reach (2 points): Increase the range of your Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning Bolt spells by 6 yards.<
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# Fire Nova Totem: This totem now receives increased damage from effects that increase the Shaman's spell damage.<
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# Healing Stream Totem: This totem now receives increased healing from effects that increase the Shaman's healing and spell damage.<
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The problem is the people who are whining want their cake and to eat it too; they want the powerful pvp tree that is elemental to be as useful in raids as restoration and they want the strong soloing/pvp tree that is enhancement to be as useful in raids as restoration and that’s just unrealistic.<
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From an Alliance perspective, I'd say "why buff an already overpowered class this much?"<
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Paladin Greater Blessings are >> totems.. but I think that has a lot to do with each pally being able to cast a different type of blessing on every class. If they made it so totems could affect the entire raid, instead of only one group, it would probably help a lot. Having to have 8 shaman on a raid probably sucks = But then, having 8 shaman on a raid doesn't gimp you as badly as having 8 pallies. <i></i>

After playing both sides a bit...I still say shaman get too much of too much.<
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I agree to fix the various bugs and pve stuff but shaman in no way shape or form needed any more assistance in pvp. Shaman is the one class that has literally been bitched about since beta and the only class to not take a nerf batting. <i></i>

I strongly disagree with totems affecting the entire raid, but I wouldn't be opposed to blessings/greater blessings only affecting the group you're in - as long as you can cast more than one blessing on a person.<
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It's only Blessing of Kings that is really a problem. Give a shaman a fire totem that enhances stamina, or something like that, and that would be good. No more powerful than Kings' stamina increase even.<
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I specced my shaman for PvP, I think my talent points is something like 27/24/0. I didn't put any points into Restoration because the only thing I liked in there was NS, which is great I guess for 1v1 PvP, but in a BG setting I would rather put out more DPS for cps than worry about an instant heal only to get killed later when I got gang-raped (hello paladins).<
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In my opinion, shaman got a fairly decent set of all around buffs. The addition of a threat reducer in the resto tree is wild, I never thought id see the day when one of a shamans spells DOESNT produce extra agro, lol. Although too be honest, I dont recall ever having a problem with getting heal agro and on raids id pretty much be spamming heals left and right. The main things I wanted to see get changed though was stoneclaw totem and mana tide. Stoneclaw is virtually useless. It produces barely more than proximity agro so basically, if a mob hits you while you have THORNS active, it wont go after the totem from that point on. I didnt want to see a forced taunt skill on it or anything, but I would have liked to see it able to give out a middle amount of agro to pull the extra mobs off me easier.<
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does this make rockbiter better than windfury? <i></i>

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Ive been seeing posts on the board claiming that it has been reduced to 300 some odd extra attack. Basically, if you spec super deep in the enhance tree, get the 10% extra melee damage talent and all the rest, you will hit sorta close to the old attack power level. But still end up with less melee damage overall from it. So once again we get the good old fashioned, "lets nerf the skills instead of the items that cause the problems" routine. <
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I expect it to come in around 450-550. Kuwen Furyblades<
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With ZHC + Sanctity aura + Vengeance + JoTCrusader, you can get Consecrate up to the same level as a hunter's Volley with 3/3 Barrage talent. Might not outright kill someone, but if you're timing is right and land a big hit on someone with Consecrate running underneath, they might be killed by it. <i>Edited by: Bretac at: 5/14/06 2:50 am<
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What point is there to stand in concecrate? Paladin has to move out of it to follow you if he wants to do anything. If he wants to piss away all that mana for 100 damage go for it. Even if they are smart enough to stun you in it, the damge to mana conversion is so piss poor you will die laughing at him before it ticks up enough to make a difference in your demise.<
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Those are some sad Horde you're fighting if you can drop a Consecrate and they all go, "ZOMG FALL BACK, FALL BACK!" <i></i>

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