Someone give me a good build for a Stunlock Rogue of Pure Gankage (tm). <
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Crit warrior for the win..<
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ps: I have a build, I just wanted to compare mine to others.<
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Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%. <
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Increases the damage dealt when striking from behind with your Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush abilities by 20%. <
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Improved Ambush - 3/3 points <
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Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 40%. <
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A strike that deals 125% weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 seconds. Awards 1 combo point. <
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Gives you a 45% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. <
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Adds a 90% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability. <
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An instant strike that damages the opponent and causes the target to hermorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 3. Lasts 30 charges or 15 seconds. Awards 1 combo point.<
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(I've actually deviated from this a bit, but this is the general idea). <i></i>

I think 21/8/22 makes a better stunlock set. I'll assume the basics are common and just note the items usually debated.<
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Camo > MoD. I never get seen anyway, might as well get the speed. Yeah, yeah, nerf stealth comments here.<
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One point in Imp CheapShot is all you need for the combo to work. Good thing too, otherwise you can't get 30% backstab and CB too.<
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Hemmorage and setup are great skills, but CB wins. CB with prep is wrong on many levels. Be wrong, it's a great feeling.<
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On another note, my current build is a combat mace spec and it might as well be a stunlock build. These things stun so often I constantly get immune to stun effect messages and I don't even use CS or KS. It's not consistent though, so probably not what you're looking for. Great for surprising warriors though, when they are thinking you're going to be an easy kill. Blade flurry is almost an instant win vs shamans 1vs 1 too. I'm sure really good ones realize what's going on and stop dropping totems, but I haven't run across more than a couple yet.<
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That actually looks like a nice build neesha, I might change my mind later on and use that one. Right now my rogue is still young but im going more combat route untill my stealth attacks start getting better, (hes only 15 lol) I dropped my dagger off the main hand and got a mace instead and holy crap did my ss damage jump up! Im still having trouble getting a mob to survive long enough for a 4 point evis, let alone 5 lol. Right now I just have reduced energy cost for ss, 2 points in dodge and a point in improving my chance to hit. lol I mainly stealth to pickpocket, thats it. Im sure that will change once I start getting real damaging opener attacks from stealth though. (60 energy for an attack that does 10 more damage than ss? wtf?!) Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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Most high end rogues I've spoken to in beta and live say that combat/sword spec is the best damage until level 60 and some epic daggers, then you want a backstab/ambush build. ---------------------------------<
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Im loving my rogue, but I actually wish the fights lasted a little longer. I cant even use slice and dice because to build it up to even a 4 point combo means the mob is pretty much dead already so I lose what bonus I get from it. Same for expose armor. Ah well, im sure once I start hunting yetis in hills
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Ok, just playing around with it some, I came up with this alternate build. I have heard conflicting things about Mace/Sword/Dagger Rogues so for the sake of "being a Rogue", I think I will just go with the backstabbing variety unless I get lucky with a badass Sword/Mace drop (which never happens to me, even on my Mage). In any event, here's what I came up with. I couldn't decide what to do with my last point, actually. It was a tossup between a point in Improved Kidney Shot, Improved Cheap Shot, adding another point in Master of Deception, or even another point in Initiative. In the end, I went with Kidney Shot.<
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Malice - 5/5 points<
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Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points<
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Ruthlessness - 3/3 points<
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Murder - 2/2 points<
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Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.<
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Lethality - 5/5 points<
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Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage abilities by 30%.<
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Improved Gouge - 3/3 points<
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Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 seconds.<
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Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points<
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Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5 Energy.<
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Improved Backstab - 3/3 points<
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Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%.<
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Camouflage - 5/5 points<
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Master of Deception - 2/5 points<
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Opportunity - 5/5 points<
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A strike that deals 125% weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 seconds. Awards 1 combo point.<
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Gives you a 15% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.<
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None of the really good Rogues on my server stunlock anymore. There are just way too many ways to
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All the top rogues on my server have epics and use the exploit (of course). The usual combo is:<
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Coldblood> Ambush> Backstab> Vanish> Ambush> Backstab>Eviscerate<
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That combo will kill any clothie. For the more beefy types its:<
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Coldblood> Ambush> Backstab> Vanish> wait for energy PrepColdblood> Ambush> Backstab> Vanish> wait for energy Ambush>Backstab<
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Not really jack you can do about Fury Warriors MS/Reaper. They can keep you MS and Hamstrung indefinately now with the way rage works. Totaly overpowered in the extreme given the kinds of equipment that is out there. It sucks there are builds out there that you must use a pot against to remain viable in combat but Blizzard does love thier money sinks <i></i>

It all looks good, however, I would rearrange stuff so you have 5/5 in both camo and MoD... <
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First off, camo HAS to be 5/5 or you will be useless at 60 (though you have that so that is great). With MoD, 5/5 makes the biggest difference in the world. PvP at lvl 60, without full MoD, people *will* see you from far away. With MoD, they can''t see you until you are just about right on top of them. Same goes with mobs throughout the game. I can sneak though
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Quote: can sneak though
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Not taking a shot at anyone, but you really should be able to avoid being seen w/o points in MoD. If you can't, work on approach angles and distract skills.<
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Remorseless attacks is ok for PvE, but in the end PvP is the real goal and it isn't very viable there (even after they make the change where a HK works for activating it). <
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To the question on getting enough combo points for a 5 pt evis, there are talents to help get points faster, so eventually you will hit 5 much sooner in the fight. You can get 2 and sometimes 3 right off the bat with Cheap Shot once you get that.<
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Expose armor is really a group skill. In almost every case I know the points are better spent on another finisher while solo. In a group though, the effect is magnified and all of a sudden becomes very valuable.<
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SS easily outdamages backstab until you get a decent (slow) dagger. If you actively look for one though, there is a relatively easily obtainable dagger for every level range 28+. I don't really remember before then, but there is probably stuff then too. Good SS maces/swords are a dime a dozen though, so it just seems like a much better skill when you compare a good SS weapon to a bad/mediocre dagger. <
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Here's a good opener against a non-mage (I never CS mages due to blink), it needs improved CS to work BTW.<
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That is by no means comprehensive, but a good place to start with PvP. <i></i>

I need to check out my talent build but i am a Combat sword build rogue Rends arms (both, set gives 50 to att power bonus) and on a General run in UBRS i score normaly 495k damage per raid the mace rogue is 470-485k and the dagger rogue is at 400k tops.<
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Sword mace spec is good for constant dps and daggers are for burst. This is measured with combat gauge (raid/group dps meter) the link to the site with the add on is on our guilds website. <
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http://www.guildportal.com/Guild...bID=253170 . its on the add on page. great program shows how many pts healed to each person how many pts the healers healed for, and how many pts or damage each person did on the raid. Shows who is doing what. <
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I have a 21/8/22 rogue, similar to what Neesha specced out, and it works really well in both PVE and PVP. However, the comments regarding the best ways to take out cloth-wearers and warriors are all lost against a good hunter with a damage pet on defensive and scatter shot. (Yea, I also have a hunter and have learned a bit from playing both. ) <i></i>

Last night I rolled a Troll Rogue on a PvE server to hang out with an old friend. I was thinking about it and I figured I'd try out a Sword spec to see how it goes. Since it's PvE, I don't need to worry about as much crap other than dealing out damage (for the time being, at least). With that in mind, I made yet another build. One question for those Combat Rogues out there: Is Adrenaline Rush worth it? I was debating on putting any points at all into Subtlety, but I like the idea of walking faster when stealthed. I guess I can try to hold off on MoD as long as possible and see if I get detected that much (at early levels, I don't think it will be that much of a problem). Anyway, here's yet another build I came up with:<
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Sword spec just means rely on SS as main attack. The actual talent isn't that great, nor is dual wield spec. Much of the combat tree is just "eh". It would take quite a few rounds of combat to match just one crit ss, and a build that gets fast combo points will evisc more often. Normally when grinding I evisc at three points, or four if I want to use CB.<
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31/2/18 <i></i>

I find adren rush > CB due to the chance to miss is still there and you only get one shot with CB. And sword build IS very good for doing steady damage. BS crits are nice but since i crit 600-700+ on SS ALOT it works well for me. <
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Any of the rogue top tier abilities require quite a high cost in terms of what you give up to get there. Adrenaline rush is the best of the lot, but there are hard choices as to where the other points should go.<
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BTW, stunlock on my shield wearing shaman makes me laugh. Unless im fighting a rogue pimped out in high end gear, im rarely below half life before they run out of stuns and blinds to use on me. At that point I can ns/heal and beat them to death. Shareef excepted, that bastard pumps out some serious damage. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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I'm horde, so I don't have to worry about that. I've dueled them before, but not seriously. <
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You should really learn how to kill Priests w/out depending on Stunlock. I use Free Action pots everytime a rogue tries to gank me and just utterly destroy them. However, if they focus on damage and get me with mind numbing, I rarely can win <i></i>

People should really use them then; I've only seen one used and that was in Warsong. They always sell well in the AH though. Honestly, the trinket is more of a bother.<
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If a Shaman out MELEE's a Rogue, then he should be shot int he face and left to die cold and alone in a ditch for bieng born. No shaman has ever beat me in melee before and I have dueled some in Moltren core Onyxa gear. The ones who do beat me are the ones who shock me to death hehe. <
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The thing you have to realize is who each person is attacking. Im attacking a dual weilding guy wearing leather armor. He is fighting a guy with a shield and twice his armor total while using two weapons, which lowers your accuracy somewhat. Once the rogue blows his wad (unless he is combat specced or something) his sustained damage against a shield using shaman isnt that impressive. Especially considering the fact that i can still heal myself over and over again while he beats himself to death on my 200+ damage shield. Once I recover from the stuns and blinds and toss on a big heal, I just have to wear the rogue down. That strategy usually works, but against some rogues I still get whupped. Mind numbing? Insta cast cure poison. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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I use mind numbing on one weapon and cripllin gon the other. Healers are no problem since i normaly kick when they are ready to heal and kidney shot if they try again before kick refreshes.<
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Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage abilities by 30%.<
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Increases the chance to apply Instant Poison to your target by 8%.<
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