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Alterac on the other hand needs a lot of work. I really appreciate how much care went into making it with all the quests and coding for graveyard/tower captures, however, the queue system really messes it up. My guild made a 40 man raid and waited 2 hours, still didn't get in (even with a known alliance guild doing the same thing on the other end). Pick up groups in Alterac are hopeless. So until they fix the queue system for guilds, that place is meaningless.<
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Haven't been able to play yet, but reading the boards I get to see all the whiney fucks on alliance not understanding that the only leet skillz they had was numerical superiority and now they're getting assraped by very angry horde. <i></i>

In one run in Warsong Gulch, my team of 10 alliance members went 3/2 against 10 horde. We lost, but I netted 15 hks and close to 700 honor points, so I'm happy.<
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Played in it for about 2 hours and it was a stalemate. I have no idea what happened when I logged off. My guild had about a 20 man force there and we did various things such as capturing and defending graveyards to capturing and defending mines for quests and such. On a more interesting note, we killed the Alliance's Giant Tree twice. The horde side never spawned our elemental but people were saying our NPC was
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Well, I havent played yet and I already hate it. I cant even join a game in progress without waiting a half an hour. @#%$ that, I dont log on to sit around for an hour twiddling my thumbs. Id rather level up my alts. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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First run lasted 45 minutes, lots of stalemates with the flags (their flag carrier had ours, we had theirs, and both sides surrounded the flag carriers) -- lost 3/2 eventually.<
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I thought one of the cool aspects of Battlegrounds was the idea of Guild vs. Guild combat. You know, you get the elite Alliance Guild on the server to battle the elite Horde Guild in a massive "battleground". With the way the thing is set up, that doesn't seem possible. Are they supposed to be adding a feature where you can put an entire Guild in a queue (or do they already have that feature)? <
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You are sure? I can say, go to kargath and farm and when my spot is ready i wont have to fly back to get in? Well that seems ok then. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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You are sure? I can say, go to kargath and farm and when my spot is ready i wont have to fly back to get in? Well that seems ok then. Its still stupid how long the wait is though, there were guys from scenites there waiting, one who said his wait was up to 56 minutes instead of the estimated 26. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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Last night was nuts. I actually got into the battleground instantly. Im wondering if last time was a bug because I joined the raid group already inside before I entered. It might have put me on a list to join the bg with a 30 man crew lol. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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It said 45minute wait time, but was actually maybe 2-5 minutes or so. We were grouped up in WP doing quests and didn't even get a chance to start the quest when we got the prompt to hit the BG.<
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I just played ctf, MAN thats fun! Its EXACTLY the sort of pvp I like, fast, furious, and over before it gets boring! Forget the 7 hour seige battles, give me a couple fast and furious ctf games and get out of my way! lol I got about 22 honor kills over the course of one of the games, and I made probably close to a thousand cp without the bonus. Im guessing there but I noticed a few 200+ point estimated kill values in the mix there. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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The thing I hate are the people who pull stalemate tactics in ctf. I just had to quit out of a game as we entered minute 30 of the standoff. We had their flag, they had ours. Neither side was going to drop it off. We were trying to get our flag back. I was the only guard on our flag holder, the other 8 guys were attacking. The alliance side did NOTHING but defend. They didnt even have a couple guys out looking for their flag. Those lame asses just sat there and kept their flag holder alive no matter what we tried. All they did was force us to get bored and quit. What kind of idiot finds a stalemate fun? Why would you want to force the other side to leave? Noone gets bonus cp or the faction award then. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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The other night i did a warsong gulch. The alliance had 3 priests stand in thier flag room and AE feared with 5 others there killing hte people who were feared once we went up 2-0. They sent out only 2 people now and then to try for the flag. Pretty much all they did was stand there and collect CP.<
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We did a 7 man defense. Seemed legitimate to me at least. They usually got the flag, but 99% of the time we got it back before they got very far. (It helped we had 2 shaman and a hunter there for snares and grounding/tremor totems. ) Had 3 stealthy types waiting for the right time to grab their flag. The amount of people they attacked us with varied from attack to attack. A few times they actually got as far as their own base ent before we managed to finish them off and return the flag. lol Then it was a mad scramble to get back before they could recover and snag the now undefended flag. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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Ill be honest with you, I dont see anything wrong with travel forms. For starters, you cant use them until you are outside the fort. Thats plenty of time to get nailed by the defense before you can get a run speed boost, and its not too likely that the other side doesnt have that as well, so no advantage there. On the other hand, rogue sprint? That can get nuts. I have to make sure from now on that whenever im playing ctf, to grab that speed boost down the main tunnel. With that a rogue is next to uncatchable after he hits sprint. Unless you can root him before he gets out of range, you arent going to catch that rogue. Only cat form druids using dash and cheetah aspect hunters can run faster than normal while inside, and neither can keep up with a 60 rogue sprinting. By the time the defenders get outside and go travel form or mount up, the rogue has such a head start that he is literally at his teams fort entrance before you can catch back up to him. Its not as bad if they dont get that run buff on their way out but its still wild how far away they can get before you can catch up. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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Someone with a 60 rogue do this. Start at the speed buff in the horde tunnel. Grab it and start running at epic mount speed. Once it drops, hit your sprint ability. Im fairly sure that by the time sprint fades you are at least at the alliance fort ent. You are at the flag room before the horde can even hope to be caught up. You get a MASSIVE head start at an insane speed. By the time the defenders get out of the tunnel and are able to mount up, you are halfway across the zone and now you are sprinting. Even assuming the defenders have epic mounts and can outrun your sprint, they will only make up a little ground at a time. If a rogue can get that run speed buff before you can snare him, you just lost the flag. Its tough to catch ANYONE who grabs that buff, but at least its still possible. That rogue sprint makes it almost pointless to chase after him once he gets out of spell range. I dont want it nerfed though, its easy enough to stop, just periodically clear out the run speed buff so the attackers cant get at it. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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Thats a good idea. I should keep that in mind. Another strategy I rather liked happened today. One of the flag grabbers got outside the fort before we managed to kill him. He reached about halfway across the zone before he died and we returned the flag. IMMEADIATELY the flag was grabbed by the alliance again. Apparently they had snuck in another person to wait just in case and all the defenders were outside finishing off the guy who currently had it. We then had to guess which direction he would come out because we had no idea where he was heading with the flag. After the second time they did that though, I caught on and waited in the flag room and nailed the single warrior who came in to try it again. Still a really nice strategy, all it takes is for the defenders to guess wrong or split up and becom weaker to cover all the exits to win that way. Traab "Love Machine" Fellhammer<
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WG is pretty fun, though I've had shit luck with teammates, I have yet to win after about six matches (ugh). Most of the time we're outnumbered, too. Then again, my hours are all fucked up since I'm in Europe, I'm sure it'll be better when I'm home.<
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