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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:19 PM 
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There is a shortage, they raise prices. There is a Surplus, they raise prices.

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Oil Is Plentiful, Demand Weak. Why Are Gas Prices Going Up?
By Vivienne Walt / Paris

Storage tankers across the globe may be brimming with oil that no one is buying because of the global economic downturn, but the traditional laws of supply and demand don't always apply to oil prices. Drivers have faced rising prices at the gas pump in recent months, as investors and oil-producing countries hoard supplies in anticipation of a global economic recovery later this year.

The 12 member countries of the OPEC cartel voted in Vienna on Thursday to maintain output at current levels rather than increase supplies in order to bring some relief to consumers, particularly in the gas-guzzling West. The OPEC oil ministers, whose countries account for about 40% of the world's entire crude-oil supply, also renewed their commitment to stick to their agreed quotas, rather than ship extra oil, as they began doing last April when several members ignored their agreed output limits. OPEC leaders, many of whose economies are heavily dependent on oil exports, have struggled to stabilize prices at a level that suits their own economic needs amid falling demand and rising supplies. Prices had rocketed to a record level of $147 a barrel last July before plummeting to $30 just five months later and beginning a new climb. (See pictures of South Africa's oil-from-coal refinery.)

Oil analysts believe OPEC's decisions on Thursday could help push oil prices even higher; oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange have risen 36% in just two months, to about $63.46 a barrel on Thursday. And that appears to be on track to achieve targets set by OPEC leaders. Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi — OPEC's key power player — said Wednesday that oil prices ought to rise to between $75 and $80 a barrel by the end of the year. "Demand is picking up, especially in Asia," he told reporters puffing alongside him as he jogged through the streets of Vienna. "The price rise is a function of optimism that better things are coming in the future."

The economic recovery Naimi so optimistically predicts would certainly be vital to oil-producing countries, whose own economies would be imperiled by a drawn-out recession. Oil demand in rich countries has crashed since the onset of the economic crisis last year, and is now at its lowest level since about 1981, according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency. U.S. oil inventories — the stored surplus — this month reached their highest level since the 1980s. And about 2.6 billion barrels are currently stored in commercial tankers around the world. "There is some risk we will run out of storage space in the next four to six weeks," says Simon Wardell, director of global oil at IHS Global Insight, an energy-forecasting company in London. To oil-rich countries that possibility evokes grim memories of 1998, when the Asian economic crisis sent demand plummeting, driving world oil prices down to $10 a barrel. "If we run out of storage it could prompt a collapse in the price," says Wardell. Oil producers might then choose to dramatically cut output in order to run down the surplus. (See pictures from Azerbaijan's oil boom.)

Despite such dangers, investors and oil producers are betting that global demand will roar back, apparently hoping that the recession has already hit bottom. Over the past two months, investors have plowed billions of dollars into oil futures. If the U.S. and other major industrial economies rebound, oil supplies could be depleted because the recession has prompted producer nations to freeze hundreds of projects to open new oil wells or upgrade existing ones. In the oil-rich Niger Delta, a major Nigerian government offensive against rebels has seriously disrupted production for several weeks. Venezuela's Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said in Vienna that his country could not afford to invest in major new oil exploration unless prices rise further. "We need a level of at least $70 [a barrel] to recuperate investment," he said on Thursday. Muhammad-Ali Zainy, senior energy analyst at the Center for Global Energy Studies in London, says oil demand could increase quickly once the recession ends, especially as China has begun to build up its strategic oil reserves. "We think the price is going to go up gradually," says Zainy.

For those feeling the pain at the gas pumps, however, there is one piece of good news. Oil is unlikely to hit $147 a barrel again — at least not during the coming decades. The U.S. Energy Information Administration said on Wednesday that oil prices would likely rise to $110 a barrel by 2015 and $130 a barrel by 2030. By that time the world oil markets might once again follow the normal rules of economics.


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Isn't the price of gas usually raised during the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day anyways, regardless of whether there is a surplus/shortage?

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it is here in the DFW metroplex because of laws that require a more expensive "summer blend" of gas. Around Memorial Day there is a $.20 - $.30 per gallon increase due to the law. This lasts until around Labor Day when gas price per gallon will go down between $.10 and $.15 per gallon. If you get outside the region set in the law you will find gas prices around $.20 lower per gal.


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What's so special about the summer blend?


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Leolan wrote:
What's so special about the summer blend?


It's made from a rich blend of oil beans that are more finely ground to provide a greater resistance to evaporation in those hot summer months.


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it is a different blend that supposedly has less emissions than the winter blend


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And the reason you would want more emissions in winter is?


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I think the better question is, does the climate in Texas vary enough to warrant these supposed distinct blends of gasoline?

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I don't have all the studies or information on it. What I do know is there is a SHARP increase in the cost of gas in the Dallas Metroplex at the beginning of the summer season due to the change in gas blends. This increase is not noticed when you get outside the Metroplex.


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The price increases around Memorial Day have historically been because it is the start of the "Summer" driving season. Increased demand so raise the price... whether there is really more demand or not who knows.
Last couple years it was just speculators F'ing with the price.


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Refineries brew their summer blends by removing hydrocarbons that are more prone to evaporate in hot weather. These chemicals, called volatile organic compounds, react with airborne pollutants in the summer sun to form ozone, one of the main components of smog. From June 1 to Sept. 15, the EPA mandates that pumps in 12 high-ozone urban areas—such as Los Angeles, New York City, and Baton Rouge—deliver gasoline that meets special low-evaporation standards. Several states have voluntarily adopted the rules, and 15 have enacted their own seasonal-blend regulations on top of the EPA's. For example, pollution-conscious California has mandated that service stations must start selling its summer blend in May.


It's a combination of federal, state, and local mandates that require the change to the summer blend. The initial spike in price in the summer is due to higher demand around memorial day coupled with a lower supply while the refineries switch over. They try and get rid of all of the winter blend gasoline prior to making the switch which sometimes results in a lower overall supply of available gas.

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So why not use the summer blend year-round? The main reason—apart from the fact that the 1990 law isn't written that way—is that summer-blend gas doesn't work as well in the winter. Summer blend's low-evaporation rate makes engines less likely to stall in hot weather but can make them difficult to start in the cold.


Reality is that with the low number of refineries in the US, it's unlikely that anyone is using winter blend gas during the summer months, whether or not their particular state or locality requires it. It's cheaper overall for the refineries to produce one type of gasoline for the summer season and then switch back to the winter blend exclusively when the time comes. It's not cost efficient to produce two different blends of gasoline during the summer months and then try and split it up when trucks from different locations show up for pick up. Sorry to say, but that gas you're paying more for in DFW is exactly the same as the gas the guy out in the sticks is paying less for.

In relation to that, did you know that Exxon or Chevron or Valero gasoline may not have come from that particular companies refinery? They ship the gasoline from the most convenient refinery, whoever that may be, and then add their own additives to make it "their" gasoline prior to the pump.


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Thanks for the explanation, Xan.

I'd heard about the additives and refineries, but can you explain the price discrepancy mentioned here?
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that gas you're paying more for in DFW is exactly the same as the gas the guy out in the sticks is paying less for.


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out in the sticks = fewer people = less demand

in the city = more people = more demand.

I see the same thing in Atlanta -- gas inside the city is without fail 15-20 cents per gallon higher than out in the suburbs, and once you get into the rural areas it's even cheaper.

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Is that enough to justify the difference? Burbs/Urban is one thing (my stop for gas on Miami Beach this weekend reminded me of that; 50 cents higher than by my house), but if we're really talking about prices in Urban vs. Rural, there's a transportation cost + lower supply that would offset the difference in demand, at least somewhat.


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Gas at my local 7-11 has jumped about 40 cents in the last two weeks. Just the way it goes.

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What's so special about the summer blend?


It's made from a rich blend of oil beans that are more finely ground to provide a greater resistance to evaporation in those hot summer months.


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If DFW has a local requirement that the gas be something special, they're the ones that are going to pay for it, not the poor schlum out in the sticks. The refineries don't make several different varieties though, they just create a blend that meets the strictest requirements of where they are shipping it and call it good.


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So if I'm understanding right, then DFW would be subsidizing the cost of the gas for everyone else?


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seems that way.

Currently the gas prices are around $2.45 per gallon around where I live and work. On I-30 in Hooks, TX, which is about an hour outside of Dallas roughly between Sulphur Springs and Texarkana, the gas is around $2.20.


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Currently the gas prices are around $2.45 per gallon around where I live and work. On I-30 in Hooks, TX, which is about an hour outside of Dallas roughly between Sulphur Springs and Texarkana, the gas is around $2.20.
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