So i recently became unemployed! I was working two full time jobs to nothing in a matter of two weeks, one job the company was just out right sold and they laid off everyone and my other job I just could not take the political drama anymore and quit.

I just got a new job yesterday working at a Sprint Call Center(who uses sprint? I don't have one friend who does lol), I didn't think it was all that difficult to find a job yet everyone that i know and on our news displays a sense of crazyness and those people are holding on to their job like its going to come out from under them. I really think people in our country are just lazy and just don't try hard enough to find one.

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I use sprint, all the family phones are sprint, hook a brother up !

and no I still won't go The Pulse Cak !

Part of me agrees with you Cak. The other part of me thinks there's a world of difference between your situation and someone with a couple kids, and a large mortgage (that their previous job supported).

This puts a lot of pressure on people to find a job at certain income levels, rather than just any old job they can find.

Or they can work two jobs? No situation is that different when it comes down to needing work and being picky..

Draconi Pulse is closed so well need to go to Rallys! =D

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Well, I simply disagree. A person with say 3 kids and an $800 a month mortgage would have an extremely difficult time making it on even two incomes, if they are both $6 - $12 an hour. This doesn't even take into account finding ways to get the kids to school and everything else they do while working 80 hours a week.

Providing for a family creates a whole other level of pressure that you have to admit you may not necessarily have.

I can agree adding kids is a large factor, but still Ive seen my parents with me and being foster parents, as well as working two jobs each able to do it.

I wouldn't be so critical if I did not see it with my own eyes.

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A lot of people with degrees or long term employment in a specific field will be turned away for being "overqualified" or rather, probably not going to be here long so fuck him.

And I refuse to be so critical because I have seen it with my own eyes. It's interesting the difference in our reactions to apparently "seeing it with our own eyes."

Im blind now >_<

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I think there are plenty of shit jobs out there (no offense cak, call center is a pretty good job as far as unskilled jobs go). The problem I think a lot of people are having is finding good paying jobs.

Example:

Joan works at DHL air park in Wilmington Ohio. She has worked there for 15 years and is a mid-level supervisor. The air-park has closed down. All of Joan's family is in Wilmington and the surrounding area. Joan is unwilling and unable to relocate since her house in Wilmington that she bought 5 years ago won't sell now since the air-park was the major employer for the entire area.

Within commuting distance, what Jobs do you think will be available to Joan to make the kind of money she made before? Probably 0.

Those sorts of jobs, like Joan had at the airpark, the pay is based on the amount of time you work there. When Joan gets a new job, she will have to start back at the bottom making 8 bucks an hour, and hopefully in another 10 years time she can get back to the 21 bucks she was making last week.

Anyhoo... I made up Joan, but trust me, her story is far from fiction.

Can you find work ringing up groceries or working the drive through. Probably. Can you make a living wage doing it?

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Not to become a bitter betty here, but Joan should of never put her eggs in one basket and become lazy either, kids or not she should have always a second plan just in case the worst happens.

Yes I understand how hard it is to have a second plan but YOU can do it, it is a choice to either make your life secure or be lazy.

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We just laid off another 5000 at IBM. Or should I say, we moved 5000 jobs to India.

So while you may have laid off 5000 in the US, you actually hired 10,000 in India. :p

At least India's doing well. Sorta.

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Actually, China is the new India for companies wanting to outsource.

Until just about a month ago it was recommended that everyone keep at least 3 months salary liquid and accessible as their backup plan. Then the economy tanked and currently they are recommending 8-12 months of salary. Most people need some time to put that kind of money away. What do you mean by 'a second plan'? The fictional Joan might be better off to walk away from her home in order to take a job elsewhere and deal with the 7 year hit on her credit, but other than that I'm not sure what kind of 'second plan' she should have.

herrro shank ru for carring IBM, how r ru? i understand ru have a probrem with your shreepru?

My second plan is win the lottery.

My second plan is suicide by cop. But I ain't going alone.

Actually, it's Argentina.

People are rather dumb and tend to live at or above their income level which means little to no rainy day savings. When they lose their job and have to start cutting back they get whiny and vocal, more vocal then the people that didn't lose their job.

It's now a 10-year hit, thanks to "bankruptcy reform" a few years ago. Apparently the bankers and their flunkies in DC felt 7 years of bad credit for walking away from debt was too lax, so now it's a decade of absolute shit credit, along with having to pay back some of the debt according to one's alleged ability to do so.

And Cak, you're one lucky fucker for finding a job so quickly after quitting. Not to put you down, but why didn't you get the new job lined up first, then quit the one you were trying to leave?

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Why would you outsource to China? It's in a more fucked up time zone than India is.

South and Central America is where they are off-shoring now

I've been talking to people in the Philippines for a couple of years off and on for various CS shit, so I think they've also been outsourcing there.

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Fucking Ukrainians and Iranians are taking all mah jobs.

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Dey took er jorbs!

For my company, they work US hours, so the timezone really isn't an issue. They can outsource to China for 1/3 the cost that they pay the guys in India. Also, the Chinese often know languages such as Russian, which comes in handy.

I did have the job lined up with about 23 other applications I put in over the city. This job just took three weeks of processing, those background checks take forever it seems now adays, and just in case I had made sure I had something else lined up just incase this job didnt pan out, such as T-mobile, Bestbuy, Target, Wal-Mart, Countless Clerical Jobs, Photography.

And I do have 3 months + saved up incase the worst happens, but thats just me I dont have kids to worry about that always throws you a curve ball when planning.

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[quote="Bale"]It's now a 10-year hit, thanks to "bankruptcy reform" a few years ago. Apparently the bankers and their flunkies in DC felt 7 years of bad credit for walking away from debt was too lax, so now it's a decade of absolute shit credit, along with having to pay back some of the debt according to one's alleged ability to do so./quote]
Is that accurate? My wife and I have been working on our credit for some time now, and during the course of it we've been having the credit reporting companies remove anything over 7 years old. They've not said anything to us at all about it being 10 years now.

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I believe Bale's specifically talking about Bankruptcy, not just bad reports on your credit.

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Elessar, you're with IBM? Mind if I ask what division? I work in SWG (Lotus, specifically; try not to hold it against me).

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And honestly, I'm coming to like Lotus as a backend for data, especially when viewed within Sharepoint via BDC. I HATE Notes however, (8 is a minor improvement) and using it makes my cry inside.

After losing a job you can expect a 20% salary cut going into the next job assuming you find one in this economy. Negotiating from zero is a tough spot. When I lost my gig my daughter was 1 month old, my major concern was health care. I took a relocated position, and was lucky my severance carried me to my next new check, but of course that new job got me at a 20% discount.

I did my year with them, and with the company on a steep down slide, I jumped to my first choice company for more money. Now I'm at more salary than that first gig, and this company isn't doing any layoffs. They're not using the economy as an excuse to auto cut 5-10%. For that they saw a +5% uptick in revenue as we all worked harder knowing we were saving jobs.

So health care for kids is a big concern on top of the $$ to pay bills and buy groceries. I can see tightening belts for my wife and I, but won't consider it for my kid. I work for her now.

If you're still in CO, the economy out here is still pretty damned solid in Denver. And totally understand the perspective change when you have kids heh.

Over the next 2-5 years Maryland is going to be on a hiring frenzy for technical folks (engineers/programmers). If you have or can get a clearance it's a shoe in.

finding a sysadmin job that pays worth a shit is still kinda difficult in atlanta, but you can find work if you have the skills.

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It ain't just Atlanta, I got an offer for a 3-month Hill job that pays less than what I'm making in one month. And I'm considering it.

Atlanta sucks right now. Lots of competition for jobs out there.. Of the 20 people that got laid off from the newspaper online division I worked for, only 2 of us have found jobs. And that's since Nov 30th.

Still, there are much worse places.

heh, my company hasn't realized yet that we're understaffed, overworked and underpaid -- but no one is vocalizing these issues yet.

We're at least two sysadmins short of where we need to be (ideally we'd have 3-4 more sysadmins than we have, especially since we're packing up our entire datacenter and moving starting 15 July), but... meh.

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Yesterday I saw a blurb - can't remember where - about a study that estimated that 3% of the US workforce that is employed by someone else would make the jump to entrepreneurship if they weren't dependent upon employer-sponsored healthcare.

I'm not sure that I agree or disagree with the exact percent, but I do know that as someone who has chronic health conditions that require maintenance medications, health coverage is always part of the picture I consider when making the jump to something new. Because of those maintenance meds, I know that an individual insurance policy - assuming I could qualify - wouldn't provide adequate coverage for the cost.

There have been a couple of times when I've drawn up business plans for an idea, but one of the main reasons I've never made the jump was healthcare. That's a huge part of the appeal of academia for me. A huge portion of your success or failure depends upon your abiity to develop a plan and see it through, and once you have tenure, you're pretty much your own master, but with an excellent pension and healthcare.

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I couldn't do it without my spouse's healthcare plan. And a lot of people who freelance, or own their own business in my business ... that's the biggest problem they face ESPECIALLY if they have children, because they make too much money to be covered under any state poverty plan, but don't make enough (some do make enough IMO, but one's standard of living tends to rise with what you make and so they can't afford it under that, or rather don't budget for it because it's such a HUGE expense) to afford private insurance.

Some (too few IMO) carry catastrophic coverage and just pay out of pocket for everything else. Many don't even have catastrophic coverage which blows my fucking mind. One person in my industry has diversified investments (including rental properties because she was pissing and moaning about THAT)...and won't shell out for catastrophic insurance coverage!

And I simply don't have the time, patience or energy to point out to her how she'll LOSE all those lovely investments if she gets breast cancer and has to pay hundreds of thousands out of pocket for her care.

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