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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:58 PM 
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Noni, if you don't deactivate your first kindle, any purchases they make will be charged to you. Once you do deactivate it, all books you purchased through Amazon will be removed from it. Just FYI.

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Ouch, can you not change the contact/billing info on it like other stuff you can sell?


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Ouch, can you not change the contact/billing info on it like other stuff you can sell?


Of course you can, you deauthorize it, and of course if your kindle is lost/stolen that's the first thing you do. But all *your* book purchases will then be removed. Otherwise someone could spend $50,000 at Amazon and resell Kindles for more with their entire library on it.

You can put *your* library onto up to 6 other kindles, and share the books. However all the kindles are tied to *one* Amazon account. So if you want to give them your Amazon books, you're giving them the ability to make purchases for the kindle with your Amazon account.

Not really a problem if it's your kid. A huge problem if it's a sold kindle. Those books can stay on a deauthorized kindle btw, but the first time they go online it will be updated and the books removed.

It's not their books.

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My wife is bugging the shit out of me to get one for her for our anniverstinesday (anniversary, birthday, valentines day all rolled into one - go me)

I tell ya, I'm about to start bargaining because the amount of books we have is stupid for people that are not running a bookstore or library.

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Of course you can, you deauthorize it, and of course if your kindle is lost/stolen that's the first thing you do. But all *your* book purchases will then be removed. Otherwise someone could spend $50,000 at Amazon and resell Kindles for more with their entire library on it.


I understand that much and why they need to do it, but I'm curious how it works. Do you need to deactivate the account just to change your account info? Like, what happens if I move addresses or get a different credit card? Or does it only deactivate itself if you change your name?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:47 AM 
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I have deactivated, it just removes all the books you purchased via Amazon. My other stuff was fine. When you reactivate you can redownload all your stuff again, it's pretty fast too since the file size is small.

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I got my daughter a Sony reader when they first came out. She has put a 2gig card in it and has purchased and loaded 1000's of books on it. Has never missed a beat. If I remember correctly went I purchased it, it was around 400.00. Over all it was a really good purchase.


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Why thousands of books? Not to be a dick or anything, but is she ever really gonna read them all?

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Why thousands of books? Not to be a dick or anything, but is she ever really gonna read them all?

Probably because she has read them all at one point or another and never bothered deleting them. Do you throw out every book you read?

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Yeah I have every book Heinlein wrote (and essay, and short) on my kindle. I have read *all of them* over the years. I have them all on there because never know when I'm going to get the urge to reread Starship Troopers for the 30th time. ;)

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My daughter is 23 years old and has read upwards of 10,000 books. She reads as many as 3 a day. One of the fastest readers I have ever known.


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Once you do deactivate it, all books you purchased through Amazon will be removed from it. Just FYI.


This is not true.

I have done this with 4 Kindles now. The one I sold as soon as my new one arrived has been deactivated/reactivated 3 times over multiple accounts and none of the books vanished, not even the samples. Some were saved to the memory card, some to the Kindle, it made no difference. All remained.


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Maybe if we put an "i" in front of it then.



Someone was listening, G. Kindle's Free Iphone Application

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Maybe if we put an "i" in front of it then.



Someone was listening, G. Kindle's Free Iphone Application


Hahaha I heard about that today. I don't think the iphone is great for reading, but it's great that ppl can access their library so they can look up a portion of a book when they don't have their kindle with them.

As portable as it is, it's certainly not as portable as a cell phone.

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If you can't put it in your pocket, it's not really portable.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:51 PM 
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You mean as portable as carrying the equivalent number of books?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:00 PM 
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Well, it's been nice having my iphone and not having to carry around my laptop, HDTV, GPS unit, camera, books and mp3 player. That shit was getting heavy!

You missed my point, but let's play with your point instead.

1) I don't read 1000 books at a time. Do you?
2) I can toss a paperback book in the floorboard of my car, put my feet on it, sit on it and generally be a total dickwad to my book. With a Kindle, there are about 2 places in my car I can put it without worrying it will be crushed or damaged. Not so for my true portable devices, which fit in all sorts of places.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:04 PM 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:06 PM 
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1) I don't read 1000 books at a time. Do you?
2) I can toss a paperback book in the floorboard of my car, put my feet on it, sit on it and generally be a total dickwad to my book. With a Kindle, there are about 2 places in my car I can put it without worrying it will be crushed or damaged. Not so for my true portable devices, which fit in all sorts of places.


I'll see your points are raise you one more!

1) I don't listen to 1000 songs at a time. Do you? God, MP3 players suck!

2) You must have a very small car.

3) Kindles are much more comfortable to read than an Iphone, but of course this has already been said.

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1) I don't listen to 1000 songs at a time. Do you? God, MP3 players suck!
You're more likely to pick one of those 1000 songs at a whim, to listen to for 4 minutes than you are to read 20 pages of one of your 1000 books. amirite?

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2) You must have a very small car.
I have a huge gas guzzling SUV with a wife and 2 kids in it, packed with toys to keep them happy, a diaper bag and, inevitable, tons of misc. bullshit all over the place.

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3) Kindles are much more comfortable to read than an Iphone, but of course this has already been said.
I never said it was, I simply said the Kindle wasn't truly portable if it can't fit in your pocket. You disagree? You're as likely to carry around a kindle, in your hand, everywhere you go? Maybe you have a man-bag for that kind of thing.


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Actually, I call it a briefcase, and yes-- I do.


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Seriously man? You carry a briefcase?

Aren't you a teacher? I have worked in education on and off over the years and have never seen any single teacher carrying a briefcase. haha.

It takes all kinds I guess. :)


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I write music. I also tend to do a lot more than a typical teacher. We travel often as a class as well (competitions, performances many times a term), and I have to carry my student's medical information.


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Oh... you're a band nerd. Has your glee club taken any trips to Disneyland lately?

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We don't have a glee club.

As for major travel, our next big trip is New York, next spring (2010). We have two scheduled performances there so far.


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Why do you carry a briefcase? Aren't the pockets in your sweater vest big enough to accommodate? Or are they stuffed full with your tobacco pipe..?

Do you have many leather bound books that smell of rich mahogany?

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I just downloaded the Kindle app for the iPhone. Haven't done anything with it, but am looking forward to using it.


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Once you do deactivate it, all books you purchased through Amazon will be removed from it. Just FYI.


This is not true.

I have done this with 4 Kindles now. The one I sold as soon as my new one arrived has been deactivated/reactivated 3 times over multiple accounts and none of the books vanished, not even the samples. Some were saved to the memory card, some to the Kindle, it made no difference. All remained.


You never turned the wireless on then. Once you deactivate the Kindle, and turn on the wireless, Amazon will remove all of your purchases from the kindle. Any that remain (via memory card or reloaded later through computer/memory card while whispernet is off) will not be accessible by you because they no longer belong to the account because the kindle isn't linked to the account when it is deactivated.

I've had to do it several times as well, as I had a problem with my original kindle (and was told to return it and they sent out another immediately) and the 2nd kindle somehow got a minor case crack near the power plug, and they also replaced that one no problem. They asked me to deactivate each kindle before returning, and it no longer accessed Amazon purchased content.

All my other content and information was still there, and I had to manually remove that (which I did).

Then reloading the content back on the new kindle was easy as could be. The Amazon content loads up fast from their site, and I just popped in my memory card.

I think the 2.0 doesn't have a memory card slot...which if that's the case, sucks =\

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Once it can read the vital signs of creatures, the mineral content of soil and the air quality of a planet, then I will buy it.

Also, if they could put a flashlight on it, that would be nice.

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It's true though...

Sometimes I look at all this "new" technology to do old things and I think, "Why?"

Texting was the first thing that got my attention. Why the hell do I want to type....on my phone? That's the whole fucking reason I have a phone, so I can speak! Why in the fuck would I want to type?


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I thought it might amuse you guys to know...I've been asked to go to a meet up in Los Angeles for Amazon for selected kindle users to talk about the kindle and essentially 'be screened' to make commercials for the kindle.

I probably won't go (I'm the only girl in California who has no desire to be on television or in the movies haha!) primarily due to work constraints...but it's still nice to have been asked.

Though the only reason I was even remotely interested is usually such things are nicely catered. Sometimes with booze! Plus, it would be nice to meet other fanbois of the kindle, and talk about it.

I'll let you guys know if I actually go, but it's looking like 'naaah' at this point. :)

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Wouldn't it make sense that authors would want blind people buying there books right away instead of waiting for a cassette tape version to come out? Or are they just trying to protect the people who make a living off of reading a book to a tape recorder?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ub=SciTech

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NEW YORK -- A group representing the blind and other people with disabilities protested limitations to the new read-aloud feature on Amazon.com Inc.'s latest Kindle electronic reader Tuesday, arguing that the restrictions unfairly limit their access to e-books.

The feature, which reads text in a stiff-sounding electronic voice, is still available for all books on the new Kindle, which was unveiled in February. The Kindle is not available in Canada.

The Authors Guild has expressed concern that the new feature will hurt sales of audio books, so Amazon plans to give publishers and authors the ability to silence the text-to-speech function for their books.

That is what prompted the newly formed Reading Rights Coalition, whose supporters include the National Federation of the Blind and the American Association of People with Disabilities, to stage what it called an "informational protest" outside the office of the Authors Guild in New York.

The protesters shouted "We want access sooner" and "Stop the greed, we want to read."

Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind, said the protest was the first of several to come around the country, in the hopes that Amazon will change its stance. The group started with the Authors Guild because it "caused the trouble" with the text-to-speech feature, Maurer said.

The number of books Amazon has made available for the Kindle -- more than 260,000 so far -- is "huge" compared to the 50,000 to 60,000 books generally available through libraries for the blind, he said. It is not known how many of these Kindle books now have the text-to-speech feature disabled.

Maurer said he doesn't buy the notion that the feature could hurt sales of audio books. He said the function might even help audio book sales because "if you get a taste of it, you might want the other version," he said.

In a statement, the Authors Guild called the protest "unfortunate and unnecessary."

The group reiterated an earlier suggestion that the Federation of the Blind take advantage of an exception to the Copyright Act that lets visually impaired people access audio versions of copyrighted books.

"Technology makes this step easy: Certified users of existing Kindles could activate their devices online to enable access to voice-output versions of all e-books. This process could be ready to go within weeks," the Guild said.

Amazon spokesman Drew Herdener said the company had no comment.

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Wouldn't it make sense that authors would want blind people buying there books right away instead of waiting for a cassette tape version to come out? Or are they just trying to protect the people who make a living off of reading a book to a tape recorder?


Yes, the issue is the people who make the recordings. However, there are 'book readers' out there available for text books (machines that will read for you, they are VERY expensive though, or used to be...maybe less now). Also the blind can get access very quickly to free audio books through various charities. I know about that because I've looked into it due to my vision problems and the fact that I could experience sudden blindness with my medical prob.

However, the concerns about it replacing books on tape is retarded. It reads like a machine and that will NEVER be prefered over actors reading books. I use audible even though I know how to have my computer 'read' into an mp3, because I'm paying for the acting package, not just the words being said.

It wouldn't threaten their industry at all.

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No shit.

"Here, you can spend $10.95 for a non-audio version of The Stand for your Kindle, read outloud to you by Mr. MIDI the voicemail dude, or you can spend $10.95 for the audio version of the The Stand for your Kindle, and have it read outloud to you by Morgan Freeman."

Retarded.

Totally Non-PC question: Were the protest signs in Braille?

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"Here, you can spend $10.95 for a non-audio version of The Stand for your Kindle, read outloud to you by Mr. MIDI the voicemail dude, or you can spend $10.95 for the audio version of the The Stand for your Kindle, and have it read outloud to you by Morgan Freeman."


Actually, audio books are really quite expensive.

I like to listen to them on very long car drives...they tend to keep me awake better than music. Just as an example...

[url=http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-1-Audio-Collection/dp/0739352245/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241026597&sr=8-3]
Harry Potter, books 1-7: $286.49[/url]

Just one book? Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone: #32.97
Deathly Hallows: $50.37.

That's just one example. A lot of audio books, especially the ones with good voices, aren't cheap.

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I keep hoping that the price point of the Kindle will drive the price down for this:

http://www.freehandsystems.com/products.html

The products aren't exactly substitutes, but it seems to me they are very similiar. The current $900 price tag for that (plus a $100 stand) puts it out of reach for my school, but if it were down at $100 - $200, I would consider it for my band room....


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That is pretty cool. ;O


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:54 PM 
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Wouldn't that be a bit of a crutch for your students, though?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:26 PM 
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How so? It doesn't play the music for them.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:05 PM 
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Well, if they're used to the fancy solution, will they be ok when they have regular paper? I'm not being argumentative, i am genuinely curious.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:31 PM 
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Hehe, seems like the only difference is flipping a page versus pressing a button? :P


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:32 AM 
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The benefits aren't nearly big enough to warrant the purchase, at least at that price, but here's a quick rundown of the benefits as I see them:

1. Much less lost music. Students lose music all the time, and have to pay for them. 1 big electronic thing (that they will be like, "this is COOL!") is not nearly as likely to be lost as the 20+ sheets of music they carry around right now. This is an even bigger deal during pep band season when we have nearly 40 pieces we play on a regular basis at games.

2. Students can write on it without destroying the music itself. Remember, because of copyright laws my students have to use originals, and so we have to erase all of their marks before turning them in. This shortens the life of the sheets of music themselves. You can, however, legally scan music into this device and give it out to the kids.

3. Easier to change pieces to fit our band. Currently, for example, we have no bassoon player in the HS band. One of our competition pieces tonight has a bassoon solo. I rewrote it for the Tenor Sax. Not a big deal, but that student had to set the new written music next to her other part, and practice moving her eyes instantly to the solo and then back without messing anything up. With the Music Pad, the music can be written directly into the part without much extra work.

4. The MusicPad allows the students to use different colors and sizes of print when making notes on their music. This makes different kinds of reminder marks more easy to create and follow. In addition, their handwriting isn't indecipherable. It's amazing to me, but there are a few students who can write something on their music on Monday, and the handwriting be so bad that they can't read it themselves on Tuesday.

5. There's a "cool" factor with something like this that helps with retention of students. Anything you can do to retain students is a good thing.

None of this is really "cheating" in any way-- it's just convenience and technologically cool.


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Explain to me why copyright law demands your students use original copies.

Couldn't you keep the originals locked in a cabinet and provide them with photocopies, so long as you have one original for each active student?


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:49 AM 
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Leolan, what you describe is exactly what many people do, but it is against the law. Fair Use doesn't apply in this case, and publishing companies for band and choir music explicitly withold the right to copy their music so they can make more money.

My source? Sadly, I can't really give you one off the top of my head. From my own background, my class in music copyright law in college taught me it first, and over the last few years it's a given assumption among the band directors I talk with regularly.

As another example of this policy at work, let me tell you about the competition I have tonight that I mentioned in the other thread. Three judges are going to be listening to us play and need a copy of the score to make comments from. The contest does not allow me to provide photocopies of the score, in order to stay in compliance with copyright law. I have to purchase three extra copies of the score just for this evening. That's an extra $75, if you are wondering.

There is an exception-- one of my sets of scores didn't arrive from the company on time. To not be disqualified from the competition, I have to provide a letter from the music store stating that I have purchased the copies and that they are in transit, along with a copy of my invoice. Again, to be clear of copyright laws, I have to revoke my right to return those pieces once they arrive in order to get that letter.

Copyright law has a lot more teeth than some people realize, and people break it regularly. However, it would just take one complaint to ASCAP or BMI or someone similiar from some parent that doesn't like me-- an official shows up, counts the copyright violations, fines the school, and I lose my job. It's happened before.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:56 AM 
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After some quick googling, here's the excerpt related to copying musical works for academic purposes. Can't do it, unless you are copying less than 10% of the piece.


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For academic purposes other than performance, single or multiple copies of excerpts of works may be made, provided that the excerpts do not comprise a part of the whole which would constitute a performable unit such as a section, movement or aria, but in no case more than 10 percent of the whole work. The number of copies shall not exceed one copy per pupil


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:30 AM 
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It's just that kind of shenanigan that makes me repeatedly think about getting into IP law.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:00 PM 
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It is the same with a Church Choir. Every year they are audited for music copyrights. A copyright auditor will go through the church looking for any violation of copyright law -- sheet music, copies from hymnals, even scripts for musicals must be originals.

There is a hefty fine for any violation.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:30 PM 
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It is the same with a Church Choir. Every year they are audited for music copyrights. A copyright auditor will go through the church looking for any violation of copyright law -- sheet music, copies from hymnals, even scripts for musicals must be originals.

There is a hefty fine for any violation.
What denomination? I've never heard of that happening. Must be behind the scenes if it happens at my church.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:36 PM 
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My wife is the director of preschool music (not Sunday School but the preschool program) and she along with the director of music (choir director) have gone through this each year she has been there. I don't think it is just limited to the Methodist Church.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:09 PM 
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Anyone know if there are free (legal - public domain) kindle books? Something along the lines of librivox? I'm considering getting one, to begin replacing the 6+ bookcases full of books I have now. They are just taking up tooo much space. However, it would cost an aweful lot to replace all those books. If I can get the public domain books for free (or a very nominal fee), that would make it worth my while.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:11 PM 
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Bah...ignore me, clearly my google-fu is weak and lacking in finesse. Found what I wanted on the second attempt.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:07 AM 
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Project Gutenberg makes a lot of books available for the Kindle.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... erg+kindle


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