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it's like the cops taking your shit when you're not home because they say it was stolen with absolutely no warning or paperwork provided until AFTER the fact.

Elessar wrote:

it's like the cops taking your shit when you're not home because they say it was stolen with absolutely no warning or paperwork provided until AFTER the fact.

Bad analogy as property seizure can and does happen that way lol. Repossessions can happen with no notification (so you don't move the car or items) and if the police find a stolen car on your driveway they don't have to wait 'til you come home to take the car.

Additionally if you've bought stolen property, people are often out the money they spent since the money went to a thief. In this case Amazon reimbursed, and likely would have had liability had they not.

But honestly even if they had ZERO liability there...I bet they would have reimbursed, they're very committed to keeping Kindle users happy. And since the initial story that broke on this was wrong (claim that the publisher released then changed mind) ...a lot of the hissy fits were based on what they originally thought was going on, not that it was an 'illegal' (or grey market if you believe the legality of it is wonky) copy.

As far as doing a better job notifying...yeah they should. They're lazy about that. That criticism is fully valid, but I think (PURE SPECULATION HERE

) that they do it because the majority of the time you avoid bitching that way as people don't notice all the stuff you're doing.

To notify is to draw attention to it.

It would be no different El than iPhone deleting and refunding an iPhone application they found out was a stolen app.

You have no 'right' to stolen property. Amazon had no 'right' to facilitate the sale. And the person selling it had no 'right' to sell it.

It's not an issue of 1984 being out of copyright, it was an issue of the copy of 1984 being offered being directly COPIED wholesale from that publisher. It was their work.

As far as DRM shit, the only problems with Amazon and that is that 'Kindle books' cannot be used on anything non-Kindle...except an iPhone which has an authorized 'Kindle application'.

That annoys people in the "It's my copy and I'll do what I wanna" way...but in reality Kindle is able to make deals with publishers because of it (as well as due to their position as a book seller, but they're also protecting that by not having tons of that shit pirated).

I can make all other formats into Kindle books. I'm sure applications will arise that allow me to pull a Kindle book off my Kindle and make it a 'non-Kindle' ebook to be used anywhere. But of course they're not going to make it easy. I have no problem with that.

And there's no requirement for me to connect to Amazon after I've purchased a copy of my ebook. I only connect Whispernet when I use the internet or buy books, once connected then they can and do access my Kindle in the terms set forth. They do not touch any content NOT theirs though, so all my other books that are non-Amazon...are completely ignored. They do not 'police' them nor should they (nor will they).

After all that if you have issues with it...that's understandable. I really don't...other than I will be very unhappy if they pull content based on an author or publisher getting pissy after the fact...on something legal and authorized. I doubt that will happen...but if it does I will be pissed.

There's more to the DRM objections than just, "But I want to play my Nintendo Games on my computer and every other console I own TOOOOOO"

At the same time, I can see your point about things not being available at the price right now if not for DRM, but that's a hard point to argue.

Poor Amazon -- ever since the company remotely deleted illegally sold copies of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four -- they've faced an uphill PR battle. First, the company issued an apology, and tried to explain what went down. That didn't really stop people from being rightfully upset about the incident, and its implications -- and at least one student has sued Amazon, claiming they were unable to do their school work once the e-book had been deleted. Now, they've contacted affected customers again, letting them know that they now have the option to either have their copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four -- complete with notes -- re-delivered, or, alternatively, Amazon will cut them a check for $30. Fair warning, though -- if you made any anti-Bezos notes in the margins, they've definitely been [redacted]. We kid! Full text of the letter after the break.

the sony is a little more convenient if you don't have whispernet coverage (which I think recently came to canada), but i like the kindle's interface a good deal more.

I guess the folks at Amazon have one mega huge DRM boner

Weee, Kindle 2.0 now supports PDF files. Only bad thing is that I don't think there's a way to zoom, and sometimes the fonts are too small.

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Weee, Kindle 2.0 now supports PDF files. Only bad thing is that I don't think there's a way to zoom, and sometimes the fonts are too small.

The Kindle is a fascinating social experiment. It's like watching a company re-invent the computer, with all of the lessons that we learned two decades ago slowly being applied to it. The best part: you guys cheer when they add something we've been able to do for years on other devices. It's like watching old Apple fans when their products were truly awful 10 years ago.

Author:	Elessar [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:50 PM ]
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You can pick up Kindles in Canada, but I may be wrong on that count, as they could've been imported /shrug.

Author:	Tarot [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:41 PM ]
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Kindle has also stated they can do this from the beginning. Anyone acting surprised, didn't read diddly shit. I understand most people don't...but this shit was fully disclosed. Now, I personally do not like the ability of a purchaser to take away something you bought. Recalls are voluntary. However if Amazon were to institute it that way, a shitload of legal copyright free content would DRY UP COMPLETELY through Amazon whispernet, as they would have to approve every single submission carefully. And then there would be no free content, because there would be a surcharge for that approval process, which is costly and time consuming. So, while I dislike it, in this type of instance...I have no fucking problem with it. Amazon ONLY 'polices' content they provide. They make no efforts to enforce someone else's copyright on material they DON'T provide. So if you find this copy of 1984 elsewhere and claim it's perfectly legal for you to own...Amazon isn't going to do shit about it. They're simply handling their liability appropriately. I will have a fucking hissy fit the first time a PUBLISHER submits something they have a right to submit then pulls it later. That can happen, though it hasn't, and if they erase people's content there I will be very unhappy. Again, they've said upfront they CAN do that (and they can limit the number of copies of an ebook you can possess on linked kindles, yadda yadda) ...but to date they haven't done it. As far as lack of notification, they revise books constantly. I've had books erased because of a content bug, no notification given (yet I knew why because I was the bug reporter ) and then a day or three later a new copy given, or in one case available (since money was refunded I had to rebuy).

Author:	Tarot [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:46 PM ]
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Elessar wrote: it's like the cops taking your shit when you're not home because they say it was stolen with absolutely no warning or paperwork provided until AFTER the fact. Bad analogy as property seizure can and does happen that way lol. Repossessions can happen with no notification (so you don't move the car or items) and if the police find a stolen car on your driveway they don't have to wait 'til you come home to take the car. Additionally if you've bought stolen property, people are often out the money they spent since the money went to a thief. In this case Amazon reimbursed, and likely would have had liability had they not. But honestly even if they had ZERO liability there...I bet they would have reimbursed, they're very committed to keeping Kindle users happy. And since the initial story that broke on this was wrong (claim that the publisher released then changed mind) ...a lot of the hissy fits were based on what they originally thought was going on, not that it was an 'illegal' (or grey market if you believe the legality of it is wonky) copy. As far as doing a better job notifying...yeah they should. They're lazy about that. That criticism is fully valid, but I think (PURE SPECULATION HERE ) that they do it because the majority of the time you avoid bitching that way as people don't notice all the stuff you're doing. To notify is to draw attention to it.

Author:	Elessar [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:57 PM ]
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Tarot wrote: Elessar wrote: it's like the cops taking your shit when you're not home because they say it was stolen with absolutely no warning or paperwork provided until AFTER the fact. Bad analogy as property seizure can and does happen that way lol. Repossessions can happen with no notification (so you don't move the car or items) and if the police find a stolen car on your driveway they don't have to wait 'til you come home to take the car. Additionally if you've bought stolen property, people are often out the money they spent since the money went to a thief. In this case Amazon reimbursed, and likely would have had liability had they not. /sigh, you're arguing the semantics whereas I'm not even touching that point. Tarot wrote: But honestly even if they had ZERO liability there...I bet they would have reimbursed, they're very committed to keeping Kindle users happy. And since the initial story that broke on this was wrong (claim that the publisher released then changed mind) ...a lot of the hissy fits were based on what they originally thought was going on, not that it was an 'illegal' (or grey market if you believe the legality of it is wonky) copy. As far as doing a better job notifying...yeah they should. They're lazy about that. That criticism is fully valid, but I think (PURE SPECULATION HERE ) that they do it because the majority of the time you avoid bitching that way as people don't notice all the stuff you're doing. To notify is to draw attention to it. No offense, Tarot, but you're making me feel like I'm on a the insanelymac forums, but with a different brand I see this entire scenario as a VERY VERY bad thing for the consumer, and we shouldn't accept it. Their DRM/info management policies are the only reason I, nor my wife, have bought one. I might once it's more hackable however so I can do with MY property as I see fit. As an aside, I feel the same way about my game consoles, and music/video rights as well. I don't mod to steal, I mod to enforce my rights as a consumer.

Author:	Vanamar [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:16 PM ]
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if you don't want them automatically deleting your shit, just disable whispernet.

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Author:	Tarot [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:04 AM ]
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It would be no different El than iPhone deleting and refunding an iPhone application they found out was a stolen app. You have no 'right' to stolen property. Amazon had no 'right' to facilitate the sale. And the person selling it had no 'right' to sell it. It's not an issue of 1984 being out of copyright, it was an issue of the copy of 1984 being offered being directly COPIED wholesale from that publisher. It was their work. If I publish a copy of Shakespeare, someone can't take my copy and start cranking them out claiming since Will is long dead they have a right. They can publish Shakespeare, what they can't do is reprint MY publication of it. And when such illegal operations are shut down the only reason police do not seize all the contraband property is that it's simply not practical. But all contraband they can get ahold of is seized. So if you came down to the store and were all 'but I already paid, I own it, I'm just picking it up'...that argument wouldn't fly. They will seize it because they can. As far as DRM shit, the only problems with Amazon and that is that 'Kindle books' cannot be used on anything non-Kindle...except an iPhone which has an authorized 'Kindle application'. That annoys people in the "It's my copy and I'll do what I wanna" way...but in reality Kindle is able to make deals with publishers because of it (as well as due to their position as a book seller, but they're also protecting that by not having tons of that shit pirated). I can make all other formats into Kindle books. I'm sure applications will arise that allow me to pull a Kindle book off my Kindle and make it a 'non-Kindle' ebook to be used anywhere. But of course they're not going to make it easy. I have no problem with that. And there's no requirement for me to connect to Amazon after I've purchased a copy of my ebook. I only connect Whispernet when I use the internet or buy books, once connected then they can and do access my Kindle in the terms set forth. They do not touch any content NOT theirs though, so all my other books that are non-Amazon...are completely ignored. They do not 'police' them nor should they (nor will they). After all that if you have issues with it...that's understandable. I really don't...other than I will be very unhappy if they pull content based on an author or publisher getting pissy after the fact...on something legal and authorized. I doubt that will happen...but if it does I will be pissed.

Author:	Elessar [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:10 PM ]
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Tarot wrote: It would be no different El than iPhone deleting and refunding an iPhone application they found out was a stolen app. You have no 'right' to stolen property. Amazon had no 'right' to facilitate the sale. And the person selling it had no 'right' to sell it. It's not an issue of 1984 being out of copyright, it was an issue of the copy of 1984 being offered being directly COPIED wholesale from that publisher. It was their work. Again, I'm not going to argue any particular point here. IT NOT BEING LEGAL isn't what I'm really worried about here. And for the record, I've never had Apple yank an app from the dashboard. Tarot wrote: As far as DRM shit, the only problems with Amazon and that is that 'Kindle books' cannot be used on anything non-Kindle...except an iPhone which has an authorized 'Kindle application'. That annoys people in the "It's my copy and I'll do what I wanna" way...but in reality Kindle is able to make deals with publishers because of it (as well as due to their position as a book seller, but they're also protecting that by not having tons of that shit pirated). I can make all other formats into Kindle books. I'm sure applications will arise that allow me to pull a Kindle book off my Kindle and make it a 'non-Kindle' ebook to be used anywhere. But of course they're not going to make it easy. I have no problem with that. And there's no requirement for me to connect to Amazon after I've purchased a copy of my ebook. I only connect Whispernet when I use the internet or buy books, once connected then they can and do access my Kindle in the terms set forth. They do not touch any content NOT theirs though, so all my other books that are non-Amazon...are completely ignored. They do not 'police' them nor should they (nor will they). After all that if you have issues with it...that's understandable. I really don't...other than I will be very unhappy if they pull content based on an author or publisher getting pissy after the fact...on something legal and authorized. I doubt that will happen...but if it does I will be pissed. See, and that's the thing. Good for you. You've weighed the options and decided that you're coming out ahead as a consumer. I personally don't see how, but hey, that's your deal. The only part I want to point out is the part I put in bold above. We'll see how long that actually lasts once the device is hacked. This is where my problem lies, and where the problem for the other folks "throwing hissy fits" also lies. I just don't need 6 paragraphs to tell you why this is bad for the consumer. If you'd like to write 6-7 justifying it again, by all means, please do.

Author:	Tarot [ Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:53 PM ]
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Except that it's not bad for the consumer, that's where we disagree. I get that you're saying it's bad and why. What I'm saying is that this material wouldn't be available at this time, and at this price without it. Anyhoo I see this as less a DRM issue and more of a 'But I want to play my Nintendo Games on my computer and every other console I own TOOOOOO'.

Author:	Bovinity Divinity [ Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:09 PM ]
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There's more to the DRM objections than just, "But I want to play my Nintendo Games on my computer and every other console I own TOOOOOO" At the same time, I can see your point about things not being available at the price right now if not for DRM, but that's a hard point to argue.

Author:	Vanamar [ Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:23 PM ]
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I am one of the few people that I know of that have zero objection to DRM.

Author:	Tarot [ Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:32 PM ]
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Bovinity Divinity wrote: There's more to the DRM objections than just, "But I want to play my Nintendo Games on my computer and every other console I own TOOOOOO" At the same time, I can see your point about things not being available at the price right now if not for DRM, but that's a hard point to argue. Of course there are to DRMs in general. Kindle's DRM is REALLY analogious to that though. Once you download an amazon purchase to your kindle you have to do nothing to continue to authorize it. You don't have to reconnect or any of that bullshit. The only place the analogy fails is that you can't take that kindle book and put it on ANOTHER kindle book...unless it's linked to your account (and there's a max limit). But the trade off there is you CAN have both books up at the same time. So if I buy 1984, and I had 5 family/friends with kindles hooked to my account, I could put that same copy on ALL the kindles if I wanted, or 3/5 if I wanted. But if you had a kindle I couldn't 'loan' it to you. Which is a shame, that I'd like to see, I wouldn't mind if they did unique copies in that respect. Like you can put copies on ones you have under your account, but you can only loan 1 copy and when you do, you don't have access to it. The problem with that though would be reselling and lack of loss/wear. An ebook which can be redownloaded at will has no ability to be lost or 'worn out' like a real book. But nothing is perfect and that's one of the arguments against allowing 'loans'. And if Amazon allowed it, they'd lose authors/publishers. You don't have a right to loan your other ebook formats out, or to resell them, so you agree when you purchase, so it's also nothing new. There may be some exceptions out there, but it's the industry standard. The only exception I've ever seen is with a real physical textbook that ALSO includes a pdf book with it. You can resell the DISK with the pdf as long as it's included with the book because they're 'bonus' items. But there was prohibitions against selling them seperately (okay to sell the book alone, not okay to sell the disk alone). Anyway, I have a BIG fucking issue when I buy a computer game, having to constantly input "I DIDN'T STEAL IT" codes, allowing the game to access a live server to verify I'm not a thief, blah blah blah. It's annoying. It's even worse when you have all the disks...but don't have the manual or slip of paper with the long activation code...and you need it to play the fucking thing. That's not at all how it works with Kindle books. There's no 'you're a thief' assumption. They do not check anything else you put on there. You simply can only buy kindle books for the kindle, and you can only share them within kindles on your account. That's it. I have no issue with that. And if at any time I want to lock Amazon out of my kindle, I simply keep my whispernet turned off.

Author:	Elessar [ Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:33 PM ]
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Interest: http://consumerist.com/5318014/how-to-load-up-your-kindle-with-non+amazon-ebooks?skyline=true&s=x

Author:	Tarot [ Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:00 PM ]
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but...we've always been able to load up the kindle with non-amazon books, and do everything else on there. I've found it easier to do it to my PC then from my PC to my kindle, but with whispernet you could always d/l direct certain file types. The only thing I can think of is the elderly crowd who isn't PC-saavy being clueless on how to do it so this is all 'oooo shiny' new to them? Dunno. And I always save everything as a back up on my PC. However if you turn on whispernet with an 'unauthorized/removed' book on your kindle, it would be removed again. I don't know if they'd actually take any action against the acct if you kept doing it. You could always simply remove it yourself before reactivating whispernet, but I'm far too lazy.

Author:	Tarot [ Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:01 PM ]
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Also as I'm SURE I've stated more than twice...amazon will convert .pdfs for you for 10 cents on the original kindle and the k2. The other one can read .pdfs natively, no conversion needed.

Author:	Vanamar [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:56 PM ]
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I dunno, it feels like I get more than 14 hours between charges on the kindle. but like you said, unreleased product = unsure, especially since battery life numbers are vague at best and wholly misrepresented at worst.

Author:	Vanamar [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:22 AM ]
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Or you can use a free program to convert pdfs to .mobi files and skip the dime conversion.

Author:	Gosthok [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:33 AM ]
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Is Amazon even selling the K1 anymore?

Author:	Sariy [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:46 AM ]
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Nope, just the K2 and the DX. You can buy used K1's from people through Amazon.

Author:	Neesha the Necro [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:59 AM ]
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/amaz ... y-of-1984/ Quote: Poor Amazon -- ever since the company remotely deleted illegally sold copies of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four -- they've faced an uphill PR battle. First, the company issued an apology, and tried to explain what went down. That didn't really stop people from being rightfully upset about the incident, and its implications -- and at least one student has sued Amazon, claiming they were unable to do their school work once the e-book had been deleted. Now, they've contacted affected customers again, letting them know that they now have the option to either have their copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four -- complete with notes -- re-delivered, or, alternatively, Amazon will cut them a check for $30. Fair warning, though -- if you made any anti-Bezos notes in the margins, they've definitely been [redacted]. We kid! Full text of the letter after the break.

Author:	Fribur [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:29 PM ]
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Resurrecting this thread, because Barnes and Noble are introducing the "Nook-e Reader" (lol) I find it intriguing. I couldn't get excited too much over the Kindle, but this one is different for some reason to me. Here's a link: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354649,00.asp

Author:	Austriana [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:19 PM ]
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My father has told me he's buying me an ereader for Chrismakah. I think I'm leaning toward the Nook. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook I like that it has an SD card slot, I like that I can upload my pdf books directly to it, rather than having to go through Amazon, so on and so forth...

Author:	Vanamar [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:48 PM ]
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The only thing I'm nonplussed about on the nook is the battery life. I have to charge my kindle once a month. With a color touchscreen, I can only imagine that the battery life is not even close.

Author:	Austriana [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:36 PM ]
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According to the site, its battery life is 10 hours, compared to the 14 hours for Kindle. But it's hard to say how accurate that is, with it being unreleased.

Author:	Kulamiena [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:16 AM ]
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I really like my e-reader but the Nook has some features that would be especially nice (like the ability to share a single book) that the e-reader only has through a computer. If one of these came with the ability to access books that were released overseas but not in the US (or not yet in the US) I'd be sold, but they don't.

Author:	Austriana [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:49 PM ]
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My Nook has been preordered. Says it'll ship Dec. 7, which is a bit odd considering the site says the release date is Nov. 30 (or something like that)... I'll let you guys know what I think after I have some time to play with it!

Author:	Tarot [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:41 AM ]
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Yeah I wish I could share kindle books. I've also read that Nook books are a lot more expensive. I can't wait to see what you report Austy. One thing is certain though...competition is good! It'll push everyone to develop better e-readers and more competitive book pricing/licensing

Author:	Taborcarn [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:44 PM ]
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It looks like I'll be getting a Nook for Christmas, so I'll post some impressions then.

Author:	Vanamar [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM ]
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I would tend to disagree on your statement that "competition is good" in a niche market like e-book readers. Look at what happened to Sirius and XM radio -- both catered to the same niche market, and neither could survive on their own. I think e-book reader saturation will be a "bad thing" unless there's some cooperation between the manufacturers to where their proprietary book formats are readable on all devices (Kindle books on the Nook, and vice versa) Otherwise you don't have one market, you have X number of multiple, mutually exclusive markets. True, there are epub books and mobi books, along with proprietary formats, but you don't find new books in epub or mobi.

Author:	Tarot [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:33 AM ]
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You might be right Van, however where the analogy fails is that the sat. radios were specific markets. Unless e-readers lock their books into their market ONLY...the competition is good. It's a platform competition ONLY. Now because 2 of the readers are tied to distribution markets...that's where it can get shitty due to distribution. But I haven't seen ANYTHING out of Amazon which says or implies that books cannot be sold outside of Amazon, or available outside the kindle platform. So to use a book I bought recently: The Greatest Show on Earth by Dawkins is available as a real book and kindle on Amazon. I could have bought it as a real book elsewhere too. If it's already available as an e-book elsewhere as well (which I suspect it probably is)...I could buy that elsewhere as well...and stick it on my kindle, provided it wasn't platform sensitive (not a sony book, etc.) Hope that makes sense. I think competition in devices is a good thing, but competition with 'This book is available EXCLUSIVESLY THROUGH...etc' is not and is akin to the sat. radio issue.

Author:	Vanamar [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:54 AM ]
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the amazon doesn't support nearly as wide a range of formats as it should, that's really the problem.

Author:	Miramicha at Work [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM ]
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I was thinking I would never want one of these, I love my large library of paperbacks, but they are dust collectors. Downloading a book right away appeals to me, as where I live the closest book store is 200 miles from here, other than the dozen or so found at the pharmacy or going to the library online is really the only option. So I have decided to get one of these nifty readers, but you guys got me stumped on which one to go with. I like the looks of the kindle but the sony looks to be a better unit.

Author:	Vanamar [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM ]
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the sony is a little more convenient if you don't have whispernet coverage (which I think recently came to canada), but i like the kindle's interface a good deal more.

Author:	Vanamar [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:56 PM ]
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whispernet doesn't require 3g, but is faster on it.

Author:	Kulamiena [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:01 PM ]
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I have the sony reader and there is no way to share any books directly from the device. I can share any book I've bought through my computer as a single book. The Nook apparently (I haven't looked at it in great detail) allows for device to device single book sharing.

Author:	Vanamar [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:00 PM ]
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the amazon does not allow book sharing between kindles tied to different amazon accounts.