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It is EQ2. Which is a totally successful move on their part, considering the market share EQ2 has.<
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You have to be a little more fair in this though... EQ -> EQ2 has been build from Brad's visions and such. Everyone acts like he's stealing ideas and such from EQ2 and how it's going to suck but the truth is we all played it, everybody has tried other games but most of us always came back to EQ or wish they could recreate that experience. <
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The UI looks familiar because it's just like WoW's. It doesn't look anything like EQ2 Rugen, if anything it looks like DAoC. And for the record, EQ2 does have a good subscription base. <i></i>

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Quote:EQ1 was more successful as a game than any other has ever or will even be. Just my opinion but I think we are giving Vanguard an unfair chance.<
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It seems by the videos that I've seen that the game still needs a lot of optimization, people are able to run on Very High settings in the wilderness and dungeons, but once you go into cities the videos become extremely laggy and the FPS drop to 5, (from a normal 35+ in the wilderness). <i></i>

blah blah its looks like wow blah blah it looks like eq/1swguodaco whatever its going to hold alot of attention. people compare too god damn much.

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I don't care what it look or dosen't look like the engine still suck ass.

their going back to the basics and building on it, imo nothing wrong with the engine after everything that has been modified on it.

lol yes it's choppy right now. Have you been in beta's before (I'm assuming you're in beta)? I remember in EQ2 beta I couldn't even attempt to play a good character because you literally could not move in qeynos it was so bad. Works fine now tho, that's called optimization. An ongoing process in betas.

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Shush fin, you will be slewing monsters with me in vanguard when it comes out. Just in the process of closing up on a new house so I will be too broke to party or take the gf out MMORPG ftw!!!

On a side note...gimme beta info if you have it I got in 2 times but lost once because one of lanys finest decided to report me for trying to share the uber secret info I found out while solo'n a level 10 bear.

for those of you guys who play the beta, can you solo in vangaurd or is it ALL group based?

You can solo. It's not as tedious as EQ was, but definitly a lot longer then wow. I could prolly solo a level in 6 hours or of hard grinding at level 25ish.

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wow, thats fucking retarded.

Yes I was thrilled as well, especially since I actually was one of the first 1000 Oh well got to do some high end wow raiding instead.

From my limited experience anyone who ever touched wow as their first online game is going to play vanguard for 5 minutes and throw it away due to the time commitment and difficulty differences. But it isn't geared towards that audience so all is happy in the world.